Author Topic: Which 22-250 to get (Read 6702 times)

crazyhorse705 · « **on:** May 08, 2005, 10:40:57 AM »

i am looking for a rifle between $300 and $ 600 it will be used for varmit hunting . i just dont know which one to get i like savage remington and ruger just not sure which one is best.any help will be apprecated .ty
weight is not an issue i will be using i bipod.

bigjeepman · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2005, 11:10:59 AM »

I'm not sure how much carrying a heavier rifle would be for you but I'd sure take a look at the Savage VLP. I think it weighs around 10 pounds without a scope but it is one sweet rifle and sells for around $650.00. I have a Savage model 10 FP in .223 that is a real tack driver that I put a B&C stock on and really improved the feel and accuracy. This setup cost me $450 for the rifle and $95 for the stock. My Accu-trigger is set at less than 2 lbs and is really everything I wanted it to be.

Good luck with your choices and have fun with it ...

poncaguy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:08:34 PM »

Ruger for quality, Savage for accuracy. I use to like Remingtons, sure some models are still great. I have an old tang safety Ruger 77 in 22-250, it has always shot MOA.

Ramrod · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:48:10 PM »

When my Remington VS in .22-250 start shooting minute of angle, I will consider replacing the barrel or selling it. Right now it shoots under 1/2 minute, and it's more than 15 years old. It wears one of the best stocks on the market, (H-S Precision) and it looks like a real rifle too. Sorry Savage fans!

muzzleblast525 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2005, 05:04:13 PM »

Bought a Tikka T-3 Lt several years ago and loved it. Sold it, basically got offered more money that I spent on it, and regretted it. However, I did buy a Remington 700 LV FS the other day and it shoots really well.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2005, 01:48:25 AM »

Savage for accuracy.

I put a 26 inch heavy 22-250 on my Encore with a 3.5X10X56mm IOR Valdada scope and it is a shooter. Extremely accurate. You might want to consider an Encore.

poncaguy · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2005, 02:17:19 AM »

I second redhawk1..............I was shooting my Encore 204 Ruger yesterday.............it's a shooter too!

crazyhorse705 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2005, 05:31:19 PM »

what is encore web site i will check them out

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2005, 05:32:54 PM »

http://www.tcarms.com/encrifle/index.php

tcman · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2005, 06:34:53 PM »

Actually, T/C has not changed the info on their web site for some time....you can get a better idea (over the internet) about what is available by searching ebay.

Some of the new offerings are there.....but not on T/C's home page.

The other option is to call T/C....they are not into the email thing yet either.

Buckskin · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2005, 09:38:06 AM »

I also have an Encore 204. Check out this caliber before you go with a 22-250. I was literally minutes away from ordering the 22-250 when I discovered the 204. I am VERY glad I went with the 204.

crazyhorse705 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2005, 06:10:04 PM »

ok could you guys tell me about the .204 and how much ammo runs

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:04:47 AM »

Quote from: crazyhorse705

ok could you guys tell me about the .204 and how much ammo runs

I looked into the 204 and the 22-250 fit my needs a lot better. The ammo is about the same as the 22-250, it might be a little more though. I like being able to use heaver bullets from the 22-250.

Squeeze · « **Reply #13 on:** May 26, 2005, 03:09:01 AM »

I have a Savage 16(ss/syn), which is a sporter weight rifle, in .22-250
Rem. It is shooting .3 MOA, for a five round group, with 50 gr. VMax
bullets, being pushed by H-380 powder. The name "Tack Driver"
comes to mind, when I shoot this gun :-D

My experience, as of late, is Remington has spotty accuracy in
their new rifles, and trigger, and bedding work, seem to be
expected. This is coming from a man that WAS a very loyal Remington
fan(My first Remington was purchased in 1966). My son's
Remington 700, shoots sub-MOA, but it had to go in for a trigger
job, and the fit and finish DOES NOT remind me of the Remington
rifles of previous decades. For the price, I expect more from
Remington.

My Encore experience does not track with other's "shooter"
experiences. My Encore barrel had to go into the factory to
convert it from a .308 shotgun, to one that shoots "near" MOA.
I am not impressed.

Today when I decide I want/need a new bolt gun, I look hard
at Tikka, and Savage, and usually one of these brands come
home with me. Most often it will be the Tikka, that gets the nod,
but if I want a budget rifle for more careless handling,
I will buy the Savage. I am not a big fan of the Accu-trigger,
in the sporter rifles, since it will only adjust down to about 2 lbs,
so the Stevens line of rifles is looking very good for truck/garage
gun purposes.

One advantage of Savage is the price usually allows more money
to be spent on quality optics.

Squeeze

P.S. As for the .204 Ruger, versus the .22-250 Rem, I have heard
mixed opinions on this debate. My next project will be a Savage
action, with a Tactical 20(.20 cal wildcat based on the .223 Rem
cartridge) barrel. After I get some time with this rifle, I will have
the answer to this debate, answered for myself. I do REALLY
like the .22-250 Rem. as a long range predator rifle, and I
don't think the .20 cal will change that, but as a colony varmint
rifle, the .20 cal does sound impressive.

Buckskin · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2005, 04:50:38 AM »

A 204 is a 22 mag necked down to a 20 caliber bullet. Using the 32gr Hornady V-Max it has a mz velocity of 4225 and retains a velocity of 1900 at 500 yards with 29" drop, sighted at 200. It requires 1/3 less powder than a 22-250. The bummer is that if you reload you can't get the hornady powder for this load. According to Hornady, it is a mix and they only use it for the 204 because it so fast burning. They said that 748 is the closest performing powder we can get. The good news is that they are accurate and reasonable, $13/box. Not sure how this price compares to the 22-250. I shot my 204 this last weekend and at 100 yds I had <3/4" groups. At 300 yds, my only group was 5 shots and all were inside 3", if I could have dropped the flyer, it would have been <2".

If you can shoot the 40gr v-max (mine does not like them at this point) it beats the 22-250 in every catergory.

sighted at 200 yards (200 is where it starts beating it)
204 40gr v-max, 500 yards 2133ft/sec, 404ft-lbs, -28.1 drop
22-250 40gr v-max, 500 yards 1771ft/sec, 278ft-lbs, -31.7 drop

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2005, 06:45:13 AM »

I don't know how much more a 204 can beat a 22-250. A dead groundhog at 200 yards is dead not matter which one you use. :-D

Ramrod · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2005, 12:37:51 PM »

Hey guys, what about the wind? How does the .204 stack up against the .22-250 at 300-400 yards? If you can't hit it you can't kill it. I'll take a good 52 grain boat-tail hollowpoint from the .22-250 over any 32 grain wonder bullet.
And with 55 grain softpoints, I manage to kill a few deer too.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:22:02 PM »

Quote from: Ramrod

Hey guys, what about the wind? How does the .204 stack up against the .22-250 at 300-400 yards? If you can't hit it you can't kill it. I'll take a good 52 grain boat-tail hollowpoint from the .22-250 over any 32 grain wonder bullet.
And with 55 grain softpoints, I manage to kill a few deer too.

Have to agree. :gun4:

Flash · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:34:13 PM »

If you want a real tack driver for varmint that can double as your favorite deer rifle or deer handgun, buy an Encore. Oh, we can't forget muzzle loader too. www.tcarms.com Try that with a Savage or a Remington or for that matter, anything else on the market! By the way, I wouldn't own a 204 but love my 22-250 Encore.

DannoBoone · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2005, 04:51:31 PM »

Quote from: Squeeze

Squeeze

P.S. As for the .204 Ruger, versus the .22-250 Rem, I have heard
mixed opinions on this debate. My next project will be a Savage
action, with a Tactical 20(.20 cal wildcat based on the .223 Rem
cartridge) barrel. After I get some time with this rifle, I will have
the answer to this debate, answered for myself. I do REALLY
like the .22-250 Rem. as a long range predator rifle, and I
don't think the .20 cal will change that, but as a colony varmint
rifle, the .20 cal does sound impressive.

I have both the Tac 20 (custom Encore barrel) and a .22-250 (Rem 788).
Both are FANTASTIC varmint rifles. The Tac 20 is better for saving coyote
pelts if shot beyond 100yds with the 32gr pills, but the 788 has taken MORE
than its share of deer (it was my Dad's deer rifle before he passed on).
The Tac 20 and the Ruger .204 are so ballistically close, one may as
well call them twins. H4198 will take both of them 4200fps+, but my
Encore barrel is most accurate with a load of 4100fps using the old 33gr
Hornady bullet.

crazyhorse705 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2005, 06:21:02 PM »

ok so the 22-250 can shoot deer to what range is it good for and i may end up getting both start out with a 22-250 then get the 204 a little later on what is tikkas web site if you guys know and sorry for all the questions just trying to figure out what would be good and how does .223 compare to 22-250 performance whise

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2005, 12:51:06 AM »

Quote from: crazyhorse705

ok so the 22-250 can shoot deer to what range is it good for and i may end up getting both start out with a 22-250 then get the 204 a little later on what is tikkas web site if you guys know and sorry for all the questions just trying to figure out what would be good and how does .223 compare to 22-250 performance whise

http://www.tikka.fi/

The 22-250 is faster than the 223. You can load all the bullets to out do any 223. They use the same bullets.

Squeeze · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2005, 03:36:19 AM »

The obvious differences can be read in any load data
book. I best think of the differences, besides about 100 yards of
effective range, best put as what better matches one's personality.
My wife, and oldest son, which are both a little more on the
soft mannered side, like the .223 Rem. My youngest son, and
I, which are more on the abrasive side(grin), prefer the .22-250 Rem.
More noise, more power, and more splatter. Both guns, very
accurately put .224 cal. holes in paper, and dispatch varmints,
with authority. Actually I am going through a love affair with
small mores. I have a three .223 Rem. chambered rifles, one
.22-250 Rem. chambered rifle, and one .25-06 Rem. chambered rifle.
I am eyeing up a 6mm/.243 chambered rifle, and a .20 cal chambered
rifle, as I post this. I started out with my first small bore, being a
.223 Rem, and would recommend that to most other new shooters,
too. They are cheap to feed, very accurate, generally speaking,
and a pleasure to shoot. One can always "grunt grunt" get more
powerful chamberings, if the need/desire arises.

Squeeze

Buckskin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2005, 05:02:57 AM »

Obviously there is more bullet choices with the 22-250, but for a varmint round 32gr is all you need. And I would certainly not risk wounding a trophy buck by trying to take it with at 22-250. Of course it can be done an has been done for decades, but in my opinion it is not the right choice. And at that 55gr soft point at 500 yds will drift 40" with a 10mph wind.

Yukon Gold · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2005, 06:04:50 AM »

Has anyone checked out the CZ-550 Varmint with the single set trigger? I too am in the market, have not had a chance to shoot any of the following:

Savage, HAWA, Tikka or CZ,

But for finish and trigger - had to be a coin toss between the CZ and Savage. I like the looks/finish on the CZ 550 Varmint better, but that has no impact on accuracy.

Between the Savage and CZ - has anyone compared these on the range?

coyote trapper1928 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2005, 09:28:24 AM »

How does the Browning lever action rifle in a 22-250 rate in quality and accuracy?

Thanks,

Buckskin · « **Reply #26 on:** June 24, 2005, 08:42:48 AM »

I wouldn't choose a lever action if I were worried to much about accuracy. It will probably be fine, but not for me.

jro45 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:32:05 PM »

I own a 22-250 in Rem. BDL. model 700 I don't know what one would cost now but it is a fine rifle. I can put 3 bullets in a 1/2" circle at 200 yds with it.

zrifleman · « **Reply #28 on:** June 26, 2005, 07:30:16 PM »

I will make it simple--Remington 700 w/ HS precision stock varminter in 22-250 and you won't be sorry. My Winchester model 70 heavy varminter is more accurate but they don't make them anymore. The Sako varminters are fantastic but they are not being imported at this time. Can't see enough real advantage in a 204 over 22-250. It looks more like a marketing ploy that will come and go.

Buckskin · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2005, 04:06:50 AM »

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Can't see enough real advantage in a 204 over 22-250. It looks more like a marketing ploy that will come and go.

I have an Encore 204, a friend of mine has an Encore 22-250. We shot them side by side, and there is a 204 barrel ordered and a 22-250 barrel for sale. I guarantee this caliber will not fade away.