" I believe that we should forget UN and NATO etc, etc and form a block (economic and military) with all the English speaking nations of the world....and let the rest go where they are headed for !"
This is what I'v been saying more or less. Let them rot in the desert.
How does what we are now engaged in fit into your prophecy? :roll:
I doubt very much if anything we do in Iraq is having any effect on the terrorists other than making it easier to hit us.
I cant see how leaving our foot in a hornets nest will keep us from being stung. I'm not saying we should forget anything thats been done to us, on the contrary, I remember it all & cant see why we insist on helping the very people who want us dead. I'm aware that most troops on the ground say the Iraqis they see are greatful for our help. I just wonder how many change suits after dark or when called upon by their brethren to do us harm.
You guys talk like we get whacked by terrorists on a regular basis. This isn't Isreal for crying out loud. Its a shame that with all the good we could be doing in the world we're spinning our wheels in Iraq.
If you really want to hurt the terrorists we oughtta pull all support from the region. Not just Iraq or Afganistan but the entire region. No more money, no more weapons, no more technical support no nuthing.
All we're doing now is fueling their hatred & giving them targets.
Its inconcievable to think that our being in Iraq is why no more attacks have occured here. They havent occured here because its pretty difficult for them to carry out an attack across the globe, pure & simple.
We fight countries to defeat terrorists that dont care about countries.
They care about territories & religion, so we invade their territories & inject our culture & government on them & you expect that to get them to stop?
I cant pretend to know the answer but nothing about WW2 is relevant to this. Saddam wasn't a global threat, Saddam wasn't invading Europe, Saddam never even almost had the resources to pose a real threat.
You can say what about 9/11 all you want. It was a tragedy for sure & one that deserves retaliation, directed intelligently against the ones who did it and yet the country where they came from sits safely on the sidelines getting all sorts of resources & aid from us while our men die in Iraq.
Korea has nukes, Iran probably does, Pakistan & India both do & yet we worry about Iraq.
To say its not about oil is to ignore the obvious. If its not oil then why not bomb the oil production facilities across the mid east, thats where they get their money. Destroy every last one & end their cash flow. That would hurt the terrorists much more than occupying one cruddy little country in their midst.
I havent heard anyone saying we should give them marshmellows or care packages either but if thats what you want to do go right ahead.
We all need to keep an open mind on this or we'll get nowhere. Far be it for me to be called a pacifist, I consider myself realistic & realistically we are wasting our time over there, we could be doing something worthwhile, killing terrorists.
When we leave the democratic republic of Iraq will they still be Islamic? If they are wont they send their kids to be educated by the radicals? Wont these radicals teach these kids how the infidel Americans destroyed their homes & country? Wont these kids filled with hatred have all the technology we've brought at their disposal? Wont these kids be the future leaders over there? Won't it be likely they may find support from Iran or Pakistan who we are watching develop nuclear weapons? Wont they likely be inclined to use the nice jet fighters we are selling them (pakistan) against the infidels?
A long time ago we had a war here with the English. They thought they couldn't lose because we were an unorganized bunch of rebels, their generals sent back to England reports of the support they got from the loyalists & how, many people here were glad they were putting down the insurgents. But they lost. The most powerfull army on earth lost to a bunch of farmers & frontiersmen. The biggest reason they lost? Because they were fighting a political war while we were fighting for our beliefs, our freedoms. We can win the war on terror if we fight it, but not if we waste time & men fighting a losing battle.
I for one have very little fear of terrorist attacks & I'm closer to NYC than most of you. I'm more afraid of us losing our freedoms & unless your blind you have to admit they are dissapearing, first the patriot act & now national ID's. If this continues, if we are so afraid of these scumbags that we lose sight of what makes us the greatest nation on earth, then the terrorists have won regardless of Iraq.
Level Iraq if they are a threat, then come home to a free country.
