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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2005, 09:03:28 AM »
#1)Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
I just recently got into these great rifles last fall. Recent.

#2)What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
Ruggedness, affordability, Made in the USA, accuracy.

#3)What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?
I like the line up of calibers available, but you should broaden the horizon. The fact that i can swith barrels and have one frame but a barrel for ALMOST every type of hunting i do. I don't like having to send a frame back to the factory every time i want a new barrel that is just plain ridiculous. A new hammer profile would be especially be nice and a FULLY supported scope rail would also be a plus.  Different twist rates in the 223, 243, 44 would be great. That was the reason i got rid of my 243 barrel it wouldn't stabalize the heavier bullets i needed to deer hunt with. BETTER QC. Offer a frame that would handle the pressures of magnum calibers. (Can someone say SB-3). Offer pistol calibers like the 41 mag, 32 H&R, 357 mag, 45 colt with BALLARD riflings. Also bring back every caliber that has been dropped. I some calibers that i would definitely buy would be the 7-30 waters, 35 remington, 225 win, 264 win, 284 win, 6.5x55, 30-40 krag, and 460 S&W.

#5) Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
If laminate stocks in a wide varity of colors were offered i would definitely purchase some. Gray laminate would be great. Overall just offer more stocks as accessories.

#6) If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?
More than likely i would purchase stock.

I would like to welcome you to site and like to personaly thank you for getting invovled to see what us, the customers, actually want in a rifle that we are going to use.

(i know i skipped a number some how it got tied in with #3)
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2005, 09:08:33 AM »
I forgot a couple of things so here goes...........

As for the Buffalo classic and Target Model classic caliber options should be offered. Like lets say the 40-65, 45-90, 45-100,45-110, 45-120, 405 win. just to name a few.

And one more thing i can think besides everything everyone else has already said would be..........................offer OCTAGON barrels.
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2005, 10:00:32 AM »
Been gone a day or so and here she is-Welcome Dianal.
 Good to see you taking a real interest in moving H&R/NEF ahead and inproving things.
I guess I can't really recommend a lot more than has already been said. The concerns already listed sum up most of my personally feelings. And I fully agree with Mac on all sides-other than market share. Only because I choose to stay out of stocks and bonds. Not really my thing.
 But shooting is. And I have to say I am a newer fan of these rifles.
I believe these rifles to be an excellent bargin and great accuracy can be achieved with them. VALUE.
   -One of my only gripes-(again already said) having to send the
    receiver -back to get fitted for new barrels.

   -Lower hammer and stronger spring in it for faster lock time.

   -More barrel choices-caliber, lengths, Bull barrels, etc...

   -Stock choices, Laminates, Walnut, Synthetics,etc...

   -Small custom shop.

   -Over all quality control.

Thanks for you interest and I hope you motivation and drive pay off like your past endeavors have.

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2005, 10:48:16 AM »
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Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?


I picked up my first one,a .410 Topper shotgun, in 2000 and my second, a Handi-Rifle in .280 Remington, in 2003.

 
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What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
 

The Topper was a fluke I guess you would say. I was talking to an associate about finding a 20 ga. pump for my wife when he mentioned he had a .410 single shot that he would sell and that he really needed some cash.  That .410 turned out to be a new in the box Topper that he refused to take more than $50 for.  It was too good of a deal to pass up, and I figured I could always use it for trading stock. Turned out that I liked it so well that when I needed to get a new Rifle I looked for and found a good buy on a second hand Handi-Rifle (the afore mentioned.280 Remington).
 
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What I like about the single shots can be summed up in two words - rouged simplicity.
I wish that barrels were truly interchangeable and that accessory barrels could be purchased thru local retailers without having to send receivers back to H&R/NEF for fitting .  
 
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What types of products do you wish H&R made?


More 'Combo' packages featuring shotgun & rifle or shotgun, rifle and muzzle loader combinations would be nice.  I'ld love to see the Versa Pack offered in stainless steel.   Complete Rifle packages that would include a good quality scope, sling and protective case would be nice.

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Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?


Again,  It would be nice if accessory barrels could be sold thru local retailers.

 
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If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?


Possibly, depending on price.
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for what its worth from a non-owner...
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2005, 11:54:02 AM »
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

I'm a "wannabe"- I really want a Target model 38-55 but the chambering problems reported here and elsewhere on the 'net have scared me off for the near future.  

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

No one else offers a similar American made product line with the same low cost.  I'm willing to buy imported firearms but prefer not to if given a reasonable alternative.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

Again, not an owner yet but the impression i get is value.  The trade-off appears to be occasional inconsistent quaility.  The main thing H&R rifles seem to be known for, with the possible exception of the .243, is accuracy.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?

I would buy a Topper Deluxe Classic in 16 gauge in a heartbeat.  I would buy the regular Topper in 16 gauge but the only choke option is fixed modified.  I need screw in choke tubes.  I've considered buying the regular topper and adding a Poly-Choke but I don't think that option is asthetically pleasing and it would be difficult to sight without also adding a rib... then I've spent more money on a choke and rib than i did on the orignal gun.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

A "ladder" type sight for the Target or Buffalo Classic models.

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

I assume that when you ask this question it means you are considering "going public."  I'm sure you know the ramifications of that better than I do.  I would just say this- the primary reason for going public is access to capital.  If you go that route go all out- create a custom shop, produce limited run models and calibers, kick up the advertising campaing, etc.  If the end result is a less expensive, higher quality gun, go for it.  If the end result instead is an eventual takeover from some big conglomerate like DuPont, well...

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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2005, 11:57:49 AM »
Hello Dianal,
i'm not really representative, i'm just a French customer. My most concern is that your products aren't imported in my country (not your fault). We aren't numerous and there is only a little part of this little market for (not so) cheap (here) simple rifle. I'll have to go thru hassle to import my next one from Switzerland.


Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
No, i bought a used H&R mle 258 (20gage/30-30) 10 months ago.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
Opportunity and price for the first one.
Quality/price for the next one (i've found a bunch of handiolics, they couldn't be all wrong :) ).

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?
I like simplicity.
I don't like the trigger, to heavy.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?
I'm afraid by your question.
Yes, i would take some but i hope that you will never depend on shareholders.

Respectfully,
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2005, 01:06:55 PM »
Daina, Welcome
I am assuming you are legit.  I have no way of knowing this but will answer your questions and hope something will come of your survey.

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
I am fairly long term, over 10 years.  Actually had an old 12ga a LONG time ago but it doesn't count.
My son's each own a 223 and 30-30,  that we've had for 10 years or so.
I own a 223 Ultra Varmint, and extra 243 barrel. (bought from a fellow poster) and it fits perfect and shoots fine.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
Cost/safety (exposed hammer) for a starter gun and later for versatility and accuracy, with interchangable barrels.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?
Dislikes
The hammer sits too high in the uncocked position.  It needs a lower profile to allow either a lower scope mount or getting rid of the extension, or both.
Make barrel tolerance so we can just order one without sending the receiver back to have it "fitted", I would have more barrels if that were the case.
If the above is NOT possible, if, for example, it would drive costs up too much, then allow someone to order a rifle in 223, with a 30-06 or 308 barrel (or as many as you want) AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE.

Move the forend lug closer to the receiver, allowing for more of a free floating barrel.

Make the scope mount fit the contour of the barrel, end to end instead of letting it hang on the front.

Likes,
Barrel/caliber interchangability.
simple design easy to care for/clean
Accurate, actually, VERY accurate especially for the money.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?
A Handgun version just like the TC.  I live in CA and it's very hard to get them approved in this state but I know many others would like them as well.  If they were avalable, I'd get one.  Seems like it's just a matter of getting the handle profile correct and cutting the barrels?  Cannot be much simpler than that.

Availability of different length barrels, they obviously keep longer blanks there cause we have the 32" buffalo classic, or 26" for the 280 Rem and 25-06.  Why not a 24" for the 30-06 if I want one?

Custom calibers?  We are starting to buy barrels and send them off to shops to get what we want.  One poster here has his 30-06 barrel in a shop to be converted to 338-06, at a cost of an extra $200.  Why not offer that yourselves and reap the money?

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

How about a carrying case for say, a scoped rifle and 2 or 3 extra scoped/unscoped barrels?

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

Possibly, it would depend on whether or not I felt Marlin was listening to its customers.  By the way, many Marlin owners would like to see a special run of various calibers.  For example, 356 Win, 444 marlin, 375 Win, and many of the older cowboy calibers as well.

Oh yea, mine are fine, but why make the customer send the receiver back in for a FREE trigger job?  Do it the first time.  Your reputation will only get  better.  Also you might want to get the word out, a LOT of dealers still think the gun has to go back to the factory EVERY time you want to change barrels.  They need educating.  Send more gun writers out in the field with the H&R on a SERIOUS hunt.  TC has their own shows they sponsor.  Guess what gun the animals are taken with???

I know it's advertising money but it gets the brand exposure you need.
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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2005, 01:58:29 PM »
I type to slow to answer this well, and the other guys are doing well coferring my thoughts, I luv my handies and will buy more, inexpensive and simple are why. The only real problem has been with my .38-55 TS do a seach you'll find alot on the subject. I would like a hard case that would hold a reciever and several barrels with or without scopes.

Thanks for listening and welcome to our cyber home (Thanks Greybeard and family) Come back often were'er a talkative bunch and welcome all. 8)
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« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2005, 02:12:44 PM »
What the heck, here goes my 2 cents:

1. Have had the rifles for 2 years
2. Chose the rifle for value, I made $10000/year and that was that
3. Like/dislike
.223 rifle is a shooter but the rifling is too slow for larger, modern bullets

stocks are abysmal, they are out of line with the barrel or something, too much felt recoil

Amen to the barrel fitting and trigger pull issues.  If you are fixing it for free then....why is it leaving "broken"

There are two types of Handi owners- the "collector" and the "guy with little money".  The collectors would like a program like Remington's Classic Model 700, one special caliber per year.  Why not a special barrel each year?  6.5x55, 35 Remington, and 35 Whelen seem to be mentioned a lot.  As far as the other type of Handi owner.....here's the deal, I work at WalMart and 90% of the Handirifles that we sell in Arkansas are bought by parents for a 10 year old boy.  They want a cheap gun and universally when I talk to the family again they say that there is too much recoil--see above.

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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2005, 03:10:35 PM »
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Hello Handiholics!
 
Thank you for inviting me to participate on your forum and a special thank you to Mac for his invitation and kind words!  
 
My name is Diana Lynch and I am married to Theodore Lynch, the grandson of Theodore F. Lynch, who in the earlier years was chairman of Marlin Firearms.  We are among a small group of owners of the privately held Marlin Firearms Company.  I am compiling data regarding Marlin and H&R customer feedback on both existing products and ideas for new products and accessories.  Although I have been to a number of Marlin Firearms company meetings, I am new to the gun business; however, I am going to immerse myself into learning everything I can about the gun business.  I am gathering this information from a number of different sources and I am hoping that your forum with its diverse members will contribute!  Please understand that my level of commitment is real and determined.  My background and professional career has been in aerospace; before that, I played professional tennis and was a national and world champion squash player.  I mention this only as examples of my determination and passion, always giving each endeavor my absolute best effort.  I am confident that with your input, both companies will become even more successful and achieve even greater customer satisfaction.  Thank you in advance for your assistance and I look forward to your insightful comments.  
 
 
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Survey Questions
 
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

I just resently aquired a Handi in .233. I am presently trying to get it to shoot accurately. Based on range results to date I expect that the rifle will require re-crowning and a bedded/floated fore-stock. I am also fitting a pillar in the fore-stock.
 
What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

I was very impressed with the rifle when I first handled it and I couldn't resist the low price. It is a very respectable piece of work.
 
What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

Fit and finish was excellent for the price.
 
What types of products do you wish H&R made?

I wish that H& R would put another $30 to $40 into the Handi to improve accuracy isues. Give the Contender a run for the money.
 
Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
 
If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

Yes.

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« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2005, 04:06:57 PM »
I suppose I am a longtime user, had a 922, I believe it was, .22revolver and a Sportsman 999.22, both were stolen, in the late 50's ,had a 20ga shotgun, my sister grabbed it when she was 11, Have 2 Handirifles now ,with 3 barrels on order.
I believe .356 Win. would be a good chambering, rimmed and just about equal to .358, .35 Rem. is another possibility, but it is not as versatile as .356.
It really would increase sales if barrels were available without sending the receiver back to the factory, it is not just the inconvenience of back and forth, but the time without your rifle available to you.
I really prefer to buy US made, reason I have no Rossi or Taurus , even though they have some chamberings I would like.
I would not buy your stock, it would be the kiss of death, in view of my past stock choices performance.
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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2005, 07:04:09 PM »
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
I've had handi's/pardners for about 10 years.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?  Value

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?
QC issues must improve or even the dedicated fan will eventually be sniped by a competitor.  Stripped screws, poor triggers, trash not cleaned out of receivers prior to shipping.....  All this stuff erodes sales, creates additional costs and COULD result in improved repeat sales if improved.  And surely repeat sales is the whole marketing reason for the barrel accessory program.  Eliminate the SB1 receiver entirely.  Recountour the hammer.... all of the above mentioned stuff.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?
Make an offset rimfire barrel set for the SB2, offer longer barrel lengths, better stocks, muzzle brakes, sight options, and another hopeless vote for a double gun, make mine a .30/30.  Oh yea, make a pistol version, I would definately get a bunch of them.  I'd have a boat load of T/C's right now if I could afford them.  Receiver/barrel cases, picatinny rail forearms, options, gadgets, accessories.....  Hang out in this forum and imagine what kind of accessories these guys would snap up.  Sky's the limit.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
See above...


If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?  Probably not.  I'd buy guns.


Thanks for asking, really.  If any of the suggestions of any of this thread make it to a reality, let us know.  I'd be quite impressed.

Oh yea, send a free barrel to anybody who owns a dozen or more of your guns.

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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2005, 07:47:23 PM »
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
Bought my Handi in 2000




What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
Accuracy, Made In USA, reliability, and the NEF forum.



What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

Likes: Price, accuracy, safety, ease of use, looks of laminate stock and Made in USA.  My .280 will outshoot a Ruger #1 all day long and it was almost a quarter of the ruger's cost.

Dislikes:  HORRIBLE trigger(remember, this gun was made in 1999 and heard the triggers are better nowadays.  Lack of calibers in accessory barrel program, having to send in the receiver for fitting.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?
  Since I am "wishing", I wish H&R would make a single-shot pistol with interchangeable barrels....ya, really go after Thompson Center's market!  I would also like to see them make "special addition" barrels.  Pay the guys at the shop overtime ONE WEEKEND and have them turn out a limited run of a certain caliber.  Make it a different caliber every year.



Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
  If they updated their designs on their logo hats and made some descent T-shirts, I would be happy to pay to be a walking billboard.

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

Depends on finances at the time...  I would love to own some shares, but my heart would rather own more of your rifles!

Diana,
Thanks for taking the time to interact with us...  It is great to see a company that really cares enough of its product to talk to owners.  Other people have said it, but I have to voice it too...  When I saw that you guys had pump shotguns, I was already to buy one.  Went to my local Gander Mountain, and my jaw dropped when I saw it was made in China.  That might have looked good on paper, but I don't think that move was good for your company.  Do me a favor and ask people you know, "What is really great and made in China?"  

Thanks for your time,

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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2005, 08:57:21 PM »
1 Owned them for a couple years

2 Low cost for good quality

3 Like having interchangeable barrels
   Dislike having to send in receiver to get barrels

4 barrel blanks and longer barrels

5 target style stocks

6 Probably not just because I don't buy shares

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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2005, 09:30:11 PM »
Survey Questions

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

I bought my first Handi in Jan 2003.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

I liked the idea of a single shot, the price was reasonable and I expected it to shoot well.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

I like that they are Made in the USA!

I like the price and simplicity.

My .223 doesn't shoot as well as I think it should, but I have 4 more barrels and 3 more receivers that perform well.

The triggers aren't consistent in pull and are usually too heavy.  I bought a shotgun frame with a better trigger than my SB2s.

Barrel fitting isn't that big of a deal so they need to be fitted at the factory.  Once I get a barrel shooting right I hate to switch barrels and have to work at getting it to shoot right again.  Universal fit would probably correct that problem.

The rifling is too shallow for all around applications..

What types of products do you wish H&R made?


More caliber selections, like what has already been mentioned.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

I'm not too much on accessories, but sights might be worthwhile.

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

I'm not into stocks, even though I have some Exxon.  I like tax free bonds!

Thanks for taking the time to listen to our wants and desires.

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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2005, 02:55:35 AM »
I second that request for rimfire barrels designed to work with centerfire SB2 receivers.  It would be great to be able to plink, practice or hunt small game with the same receiver/trigger as what you will be hunting big game with.
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2005, 03:24:37 AM »
1.  I've been a Handi owner for about two years.

2.  Durability, price, and simplicity.

3.  Accessory barrels that don't require factory fitting.

4.  A greater variety of calibers to select from. This includes reinstating the .357 magnum as a standard offering.  :wink:

5.  I'm going to remain silent on this question for now.

6.  No.
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« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2005, 04:48:59 AM »
I own 3 H&R & NEF rifles.  I like them for their simplicity and value.  

The triggers on all of my rifles needed work.   It would have been much simpler if the rough edges had been smoothed up at the time of manufacture.  

I like the durability of the rifles, but the plastic trigger guard and forearm spacer concern me.  I would like to be able to purchase steel ones.
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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2005, 05:16:37 AM »
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?
Yes since 1981: Two 20ga Toppers for daughters.  Still use one of them as a dispatch gun for waterfowling

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?
Quality as a function of Cost

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?
Being a BPRC person - ability to have multiple calibers cheaply

What types of products do you wish H&R made?
...More BPRC calibers
...Wide forearms and rollover check piece stocks
...A metal tang insert between receiver and stock to enable using tang mounted sights
 
Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
See above

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?
Depends on offering prospectus 5 year financial data
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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2005, 05:59:20 AM »
Howdy:

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

Owned one for Forty years - First gun I bought my Daughter.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

Price - American Made - and a Darn Safe - easy to handle - accurate gun.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

Easy to handle for youngs folks (and old folks - like me).  Excellent VALUE!
AND the gun will last virtually forever.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?

You make the best shotgun (single shot) and a fine accurate rifle...no need to go into new products.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

It sure would be wonderful if you made the interchangeability of barrels easier.  I would probably have one of more of your available calibers if they were available without the hassle of ending it in etc..

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

YOU BET!  I would consider that a once in a lifetime opportunity.....

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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2005, 06:06:17 AM »
Welcome and thanks for caring enough to find out what your customers think!

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?  
 
I am about to become an H&R owner (Target Classic in .38-55).
 
 What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?  

Features (long barrel, tip up action) and price.
   
 What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?  

I like the fact that your products are made in America! I don't like the sights on the Target Classic or Buffalo Classic (because they are not SASS legal as they come from the factory.
   
 What types of products do you wish H&R made?  

More SASS legal guns!
   
 Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?  
   
SASS legal sights. Bullet moulds.

 If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

That would depend on stock price and anticipated performance.

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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2005, 06:15:46 AM »
Survey Questions

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

Long term, got my first when I was 10, 23 years ago, from my Dad.  It was his first gun as well.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?  

 Value, safety

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

I like the barrel program and the price.  I have a thing for getting the job done with one shot.

I wish the stocks were a bit better shaped, like the older ones.  Being able to buy a barrel and snap it right on would be nice.  I know all these improvements cost money so they are not that important to me.

What types of products do you wish H&R made?

I would like to see the 12 ga Camo Turkey gun  (SB1-F12) come with choke tubes instead of a fixed full choke.  I would like to see camo stocks offered on the Ultra Slug guns, Tracker II's and rifles.  Synthetic stocks offered on shotguns would be nice as well. Parkerized guns would be nice.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

A good case that would hold a gun and several spare barrels with the H&R logo on it.

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

I doubt it

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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2005, 06:59:16 AM »
Hello Diana and welcome !

1. Are you a recent or long term H&R owner?

I got a .223 ultra for CHRISTmas (2004) and I bought a .243 three months ago so I am very recent.

2. What are the main reasons that I chose to buy H&R product over another competitor.

Price, value and american made.

3. What do I like about H&R
    I like the feel and heft of the gun. I like the idea of hunting with a single shot. I also like that I can change barrels. It is also very easy to clean. I have to say customer service is good also.

What don't I like about H&R

I think quality control needs help ( had to send my .223 back) specs could be tighter. For me it seemed to take a lot of work to get the rifles to shoot decent (I free floated .243 and .223 I didn't)  The throat is to long and this can affect accuracy. I wish we could just buy barrels instead of sending the frame to the factory. I bet H&R would sell more barrels.

4. What  types of products do you wish H&R made?
I wish they had a custom shop.

5. Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?
    A jacket would be nice or a sweat shirt and T shirt.

6. If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

Sure I would.

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« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2005, 10:49:06 AM »
Howdy M'am! :D

A recent or long term owner?

Both, I guess.  I have had a H&R .32 H&R Mag revolver, a very nice .45-70 Shikari and a Wesson & Harrington (which was the name it should have kept) .38-55 Target Model.

Main reason I purchased?

The revolver because it was unique and shot like a champ--the trigger pull left a LOT to be desired, the Shikari and Target Model's because they were simple, easy to shoot, and affordable.  Also they looked darned nice!

Likes or dislikes?

I dislike the fact that you don't make anything in your own signature cartridge...the .32 H&R Magnum.  I dislike the fact that you changed the Wesson & Harrington name.  I dislike the fact that there isn't a metal tang to mount long range sights on the Buffalo Classic and Target Model.  I wish both of these were available with octagonal barrels.  I could care less about your imports, heck Remington's doin' it and Winchester's been doin' it for years.

I'd like to see you bring back the top-break revolvers, especially in smaller calibers for Cowboy Action Shooting side matches.  Maybe up to .38 S&W.  I'd like an affordable, hammer side by side shotgun to compete with the Chinese TTN that is taking the Cowboy Action world by storm.  And I'd really LOVE to see some of the classic calibers like 40-65, 50-100, etc. available in the new octagon barrelled, tang sighted, trigger adjustable, WESSON & HARRINGTON BUFFALO CLASSIC!!...and I almost forgot, I really, really want a LONG TOM!  I don't know what I'd do with it here in the "wilds of Nevada", but I still want one!!

Would I buy stock--You Bet!

Otto N. Sure
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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2005, 02:14:57 PM »
Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

I have owned one for about a year now and I am very pleased with it for the money that I spent.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

I purchased a Handi Rifle over T/C Encore becasue of the price and what I have read about the Handi Rifle's accuracy.  I like the ability to be able to switch barrels on one platform but not for $225 a barrel.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

 I like the simplicity of a break barrel, single shot weapon.  I like the price that you pay for such an accurate rifle.  I like the fact that I can shoot another caliber as desired without having to purchase a whole new rifle.

I do not like the hammer.  I would like to see it reconfigured so a person can use low scope rings.  I do not like the fact that you have to send in your rifle to get a new barrel.  It would be nice to just be able to buy a barrel.  I do not like the hevy factory trigger.  I would like to see it lightened a little.  

What types of products do you wish H&R made?

I cannot think of any at this time.

Are there any accessories, if offered by H&R, that you would purchase?

I would definitley purchase a composite camo stock if you made one.

If you were offered to purchase a share or shares of the company, would you?

Probably not- just because I do not play the stock market.
It's all a hot mess...........

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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2005, 02:53:31 PM »
Hi, first thanks for your intrest in us!                                                      1 Ive had at least one H R product since 1974 and now have 7 rifles and shotguns, [ I also have 5 marlin model 60 and 1 model 70p 22 cal rifles.] 2 I bought H R and marlin rifles first because of there price, but I kept buying them for there value. I have 6 sons, and outfitting them is not cheep. now those same guns are being shot by my grand kids.                3 Single shots are easy to train kids to shoot with safely                          4

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« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2005, 03:44:51 PM »
Hello, and thank you for listening to us!

I bought my first H&R - a 28 ga shotgun in 1976. I have added many since.

I like the challenge of hunting with a single shot. I really like the safety features, including ease of loading and unloading. Hunting with a cocked bolt action rifle always mades me nervous. The factory triggers are great - usually.

I would like to see more calibers. Particually old classics - 32 Special, 35 Remington, 30-40 Krag, 358 Winchester, 8x57, and 405 Winchester.

I would invest in H&R.

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« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2005, 05:18:28 PM »
I must say that I am extremely impressed. The opportunity to communicate directly with a firearm manufacturing executive is one that we all dream of. With 50 plus replies to your survey, I am certainly not going to add anything here that hasn't already been touched on. I will admit that the caliber choice is one of the things that keep me from owning more rifles with the sights being another.
An optional peep sight which could be attached at the pre-drilled scope base holes would be great. That would give every rifle rolling out the doors, the capability of wearing one of those sights.
Ever since I can remember, I've been fond of the old black powder calibers like the 38-40, 25-20 and 32-20. To me and most likely several others, these calibers are fine performers but unavailable in low budget firearms. The 32 H&R Magnum is another good caliber that would satisfy many potential buyers. Having these calibers available in a complete firearm, without rebarreling or rechambering would be a welcome addition to the product line.
Ok, I rattled on enough. I am glad to have shared this opportunity with everyone and now, I'll have to have my broker watch out for NEF going public.
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« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2005, 07:19:26 PM »
Well, I think I speak for my fellow Handihliocs when I say we are honored that you would paticipate with us and our forum. Thank you for that :D .

I own three rifles made by H&R/NEF. I own a .17 HMR Sprotster, a .243 bull barrel Ultra and a once .44 Mag  now .223 Handi rifle fitted with a Ultra barrel. I bought the then .44 in California in 1994 I think. Since moving to Utah, I have purchased the other two.

The reason I bought them is the price/accuracy ratio and the fact that other barrels can be fitted to them. I also like the fact that they have bull barrels. They are American made. There is also something intangible about them that makes them fun to shoot.

On improvement I would like to see is the factory trigger job offered come with them out of the box. Other than that, I think they are underrated by people who pooh-pooh "Cheap rifles".

One product I might be intregued by would be a single shot pistol, like those offered by Thompson Center. I think you could give them a run-for-the-money, and I know I have read threads initiated by people who have asked why you don't offer a pistol like that.

I can't think of any accessories at the moment, but if H&R did go public I would cosider buying in. That's my two cents worth, and I hope you check back with us often.

Sincerely,
Nuttinbutchunks  :D
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« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2005, 09:10:59 AM »
Survey Questions

Are you a recent or long-term H&R owner?

I presently own a Wesson & Harrington and would sell my Sharps before I sold this rifle.

What were the main reasons that you chose to buy the H&R product over another competitor?

Price and accuracy.

What specifically about the H&R products do you like or not like?

The Williams peep sight isn't very useful in larger caliber bp loads.
The plastic trigger guard takes away from the "value" of the rifle.
A tang for soule-type sights would be a big plus.
Upgraded wood options would also be a plus.