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Offline Mason

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« on: May 27, 2005, 05:19:00 PM »
What is a good foot trap to use for both coyotes and foxs?
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2005, 07:17:39 PM »
I'll get things rolling and say you have two reasonable choices a beefed up 1.5 or a 1.75 with laminations and possibly offset to help with the fox.  1.75 stock will handle coyotes if short chains and checks are used. On the 1.5, most seem a bit on the flimsy side to be completely reliable for coyotes.  Based plate and bubble tipped with properly fashioned offsets and you should be good as far as holding power.  I would laminate and four coil them but that is just me.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2005, 04:58:06 AM »
Thanks for the information Wackyquacker.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2005, 05:46:28 AM »
My opinion is that dog won't hunt. There are fox traps and there are coyote traps. A fox is a fragile light creature that is easy to hold. A coyote will wreck a fox trap. If you are going to trap both use a coyote trap and set the pan tension light. A coyote trap will hold every fox that gets in it but the reverse is simply not true. I would buy at least a #2 and I prefer a #3 for coyotes. Bridger is making a decent reasonably priced #2 and #3 that will get the job done. They will hold coyotes when stock right out of the box. If you want you can 4 coil laminate etc this trap fairly easily.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2005, 06:03:42 AM »
I use victor 1.75s two coil and 4 coil with offset jaws with no major modifications.  Last season I bought their 1.75s K-9s and I love them.  I caught 19 gray fox, 5 red fox and 37 coyotes last season.  I had two, that appeared to be, pull outs and 7 fired traps.  I didn't have any tore up traps and I caught coyote and fox in some of the same sets, naturally on different days.  I trap the clear cuts of Missouri.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2005, 06:36:05 AM »
I wonder if the 7 fired traps were missed coyotes? A coyotes foot can fire a 1.75 while standing on the trap much like you do to fire one. It will hold them if everything is right but 7 fired traps is a lot. Not to mention 2 pullouts. Wonder what your catch would have been with a #3?
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2005, 08:11:29 AM »
let's see ifin i figured this right  61 k9's caught  2 pullouts plus 7 misses comes out too 6.77% i think.
 now is that a bad avg.?
oh and i am on your side danny since the yotes moved in on me i have went to about all 2's and 3's for land trapping.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2005, 08:27:59 AM »
Nine misses out of 37 coyotes is almost 25%. I think thats a lot.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2005, 08:43:34 AM »
Guesswork on all accounts--who knows what sprung those traps?
 I thought rats were springing my beaver sets this last week---turns out ,it was spawning carp.
  Tom
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2005, 01:32:32 PM »
Old Man Newt Will say "you cant beat a #2 Double Long Spring".For a big trap I use a #3 double Long Spring.Sleepy Creeks are my trap of choice. Just use'm out of the box. You guy can Keep your coils.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2005, 02:56:07 PM »
1.75 traps out passed the BMPs for the eastern coyote. Deal with that info as you please.  The Leggetts wrote a book on the subject of small traps.  Consider their input as you may.  

Newt's #2 longs are pretty comparble to 1.75s and his #3 too #2 coils.  

If your dog won't hunt the problem may be the dog or it maybe the trainer.

Now ask me my idea of a coyote trapp and they begin and end with #3 coils...but that is just me.

To avoid misses, poor catches and pull outs catch them across the pads by properly adjusting pan tension.  If the steel is ample enough (factory or modified) the coyote will be waiting for you.

I never had a carp trip a trap :-D
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 03:48:27 AM »
I think some of the fired traps were done by a farmer's great pyrennes but I can't prove it so that is why I didn't mention it.  I like to stick to the facts when talking about traps and not go off on some guessing crusade.  The dog goes 150 pounds and has huge feet.  I had seen some of his tracks near my traps but I can't prove he fired them, however I would say it was a pretty good chance.  As far as the pull outs I would be willing to bet it was basically human error.  I accepted the fact that I am not perfect a long time ago.  As far as my numbers and percentages I was pleased and I was happy with the way the traps performed, but that is just my humble opinion.  I wonder how many coyotes I would have got if I used a gun and an electronic call instead of traps?  We will never know because,  I would rather trapping.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2005, 04:55:52 AM »
White,as long as you were happy with your results---thats what counts.
 Everyone has a favorite trap for the differant animals they catch,as you quickly found out---trappers don't agree on a whole lot of anything,least of all traps. My take is,if they worked to your satisfaction,and treated the animals well--what more could you ask for?
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2005, 04:03:35 AM »
Nothing wrong with 1.75s for coyotes- I've caught over a thousand coyotes in unmodifed 1.75 Dukes. Never had a trap blow apart on me.

BUT- using a 1.75 on coyotes is like using a .410 on deer. If you know what you are doing and understand the limitations, they work well.

OGorman said and I concour 100%- I don't get a lot of losses in a 1.75, but I get misses.

biggest secret is two fold- 1) have a modified nightlatch so pan is crisp drop and 2) use something under the pan (I use polyfil) and PACK the inside of the jaws as solid as you can. Not over the jaws packed hard- but inside.

This prevents the firing of the trap with a foot 1/2 on pan, 1/2 on jaw.

Short chains and double stake or cable stake.

Guiding is of the utmost importance with smaller traps on yotes.

A stepdown set is a bonus- you get a high pad catch with te stepdown and guiding is easier.

Disadvantages- not a bad weather trap, little room for error.

Is a #3 a BETTER coyote trap? Yes.....trappnman
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2005, 11:19:15 AM »
Thanks for all of the information.

Mason
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2005, 09:26:12 AM »
Coyote  



#1 3/4 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 5 3/8 inches

#2 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 5 1/2 inches

#2 coilspring Padded Jaws Approximate Jaw spread 5 1/2 inches

#3 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 6 1/4 inches

#3coilspring Padded Jaws Approximate Jaw spread 6 inches

#3 Double longspring Approximate Jaw spread 5 1/2 inches  

#4 Double longspring Approximate Jaw spread 6 inches



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# 1 1/2 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 4  7/8 inches  

#1 1/2  coilspring  padded jaws Approximate Jaw spread 5 inches  

#1 3/4 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 5 3/8 inches

#2 coilspring Approximate Jaw spread 5 1/2 inches

#2 coilspring Padded Jaws Approximate Jaw spread 5 1/2 inches[/img]
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