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« on: June 28, 2005, 04:13:10 PM »
I came home the other evening and the wife came slipping around the garage with a .38 in her hand.  Thank God that I have a clean conscience or I might have been  doing some emergency laundry.  She had run a varmint up a tree and was going to blast it out.  I had my .22 Magnum Ruger 77-22 in the car and cleaned the varmint's clock, spoiling my wife's fun.

I got to thinking about the posts that I have read about hunting hogs with .22 Magnum, and wondering what loads are popular for this pursuit.  I have loads from 30 to 50 grains and I would guess that the Federal 50 grain bullets might do the best job.  I know that a lot of people consider the use of anything under .50 BMG to be tempting fate, but it's a slow summer, and a good time for sitting on the porch and thinking.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2005, 04:52:47 PM »
yeah that subject has turned up a ton of debates  so ill put my 2 cents in as well, to be honest ive been one of the doubters myself until over the loast 2 years  ive seen quite a few hogs taken with either a 22 or 22mag  i just came back from a ranch  where the main guide uses a reminton nylon 22 but he will only shoot them  when he has a head on shot and right between the eyes being said   when on the Tolar ranch  i seen them take a few hogs with a 22 mag lever action they used 40 solids.
 personally not my choice  but im not going to knock anyone for using that as if it was my only weapon  i wouldnt let it keep me from hunting my favorite animal on earth. just pick your shots wisely and be careful
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2005, 03:02:12 AM »
Oldtimer,

Wow, as I read your story I decided the wild hog varmint climbed the tree and you harvested him just before your wife did.  Around here, most of our hogs are ground shot!

Just woofin' you.  Can't comment on the .22 mag but I did take a good sized hog with a .40 cal. S&W Sigma pistol a couple of years ago when we had a chance encounter.  He was on the ground though.

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PS.  Check the hog anatomy photos on the http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html web site where they dissect a hog to show organ placement.  It will change where you shoot hogs due to the location of the vitals and spine.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2005, 03:16:24 AM »
I would never hunt hogs with a .22 mag, but if all I had was a .22 mag I would kill smaller pigs by getting close and aiming just under the ear with solids.     I prefer a .222 or .243 for my pig population control.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2005, 10:54:53 AM »
:grin: Back in the late 40s, early 50s the only guns in the house were an old single barrel Winchester 12 gauge and a Winchester pump .22 rifle.  Ammo for the .22 was cheap so it got more use than the old 12 did.  During this period I seen many hogs and several deer taken with the .22, sometimes single loading the rifle with .22 shorts, but shooting .22 LR when we could afford them since they would feed.  The key to taking hogs/deer was a shot between the eyes from as close as you could get.

Today I wouldn't recommend the .22 for shooting hogs, but in the hands of a skilled hunter and marksman it will do the trick.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2005, 03:06:19 PM »
If given a choice, I would never try a hog with a .22 Magnum, but I recall in some areas that is all the law will allow.  We used to kill hogs with a .22 by shooting them in the head.  I miss the old time hog killings when the whole community would get together to kill hogs  after the weather turned cold.  
My wife has the account book from her great-grandfather's country store. It dates from 1913 to 1917.  There are lots of listings every November when someone would come in and buy five or six .22 cartridges.  I would be willing to bet that was how many hogs the family had to kill.  
The varmint that my wife treed was not a hog, but one that liked the  taste of the catfood in the garage.  Since we have rabies in the area, and since it did not show her the proper respect by hightailing  out of the garage, its fate was sealed.  My wife is a woman to be reckoned with, ever since she outshot a revenuer with his own gun.  In my part of the world, there is not a lot higher praise for anyone, man or woman.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2005, 06:02:30 PM »
that was interesting about the old store and just buying 5 or 6 cartridges,  i guess  i take things for granted as it is not uncommon to just waste a brick of 500 in a day
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 12:52:21 PM »
After looking at the anatomy photos I'm guessing a head or neck shot is best, unless you want to destroy a shoulder or both with a good .30 caliber penetrating slug. Is this correct? It would seem a .223 or similiar low recoil caliber would be nice for placing a shot where you need it. Might be the excuse I need to buy another rifle..... for hog head shots.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2005, 03:01:32 PM »
The small caliber shooters all talk about hitting the head.  I know it is easy in a pen, usually, but a wholey different matter in the field.   Elmer Keith wrote in his book, Sixguns, of a Civil War officer who  shot a running hog with a .36 caliber revolver and dropped it.  I guess in addition to an excuse for another rifle, you could use that as an excuse for a sidearm in the .36 caliber range.  I could think of a few candidates that would make my list.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2005, 03:37:57 AM »
At close range while still-hunting, it isn't that big of a trick with a good scope.   When the pigs area eating corn, that's also not too difficult from a blind with a rest.    "0" waste of meat and instantaneous death.  

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2005, 03:34:20 AM »
The posts that I have seen from people who use the smaller caliber guns indicate that they go for head shots.  From my experiences with the .223, I would be willing to use it for head shots, as it is quite accurate.  That is, of course, if you don't like brains.  My grandmother used to make us shoot squirrels in the body, so she could have the brains with egggs.  Needless to say, she expected a mess of squirrels, because like some folks we all know, one just did not have enough brains to go around.

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 12:48:24 PM »
I have shot quite a few in the head and neck with a .223 (T/C super 14). you just can't rush or force the shot- if it's not there you can't make it happen.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2005, 07:47:08 AM »
I have killed quite a few hogs with a 22 and a buddy of only uses a 17.  Just shoot them in the ear or just behind it and they will drop like a stone.  Only movement will be a few seconds of twitching.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 05:43:06 PM »
I've taken a few small ones with the 22 mag and Win. 40gr. jhps. Not quite quartering away, you can get the lungs. They go down pretty fast.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2005, 08:31:59 PM »
Just as a question what might make the best hog round out of a 22 Magnum? I have one and sometimes use it for varmint hunting, It shoots very well with CCI 40 grain solid and hollow point bullets.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2005, 06:06:06 AM »
yeah right :-D  people say a slingshot can't do the, but a 22 HA,HA,HA! :twisted:
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2005, 11:43:44 AM »
I was just taking a break from writing a Bible study and saw the comment about slingshots.  I guess you mean the rubber tube type, because David sure did not have much trouble dropping Goliath with one (1 Samuel 17:49).  He did it in one shot, though he had taken five rocks with him.  I would think it would be a really sporting way to go hog hunting. :eek: .  If you try it, post a picture.

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2005, 12:16:39 PM »
Got to admit to killing a LOT of hogs with the .22 LR from my Ruger K77/22RP.  With 4X Weaver scope and a steady tree stand rest, distance within 25 yards, front of the head shots in the "X" between the ears and eyes, the report of the .22LR startles the hogs in a sounder, but they usually do not disburse.  They will soon commence eating around their dead buddy and I then shoot another one, and so it goes until I have enough to BBQ or run out of hogs.  My Ruger digests the cheapest Federal 36 grain hollow points and spits them into dime sized holes at 50 yards from a steady rest.  The 22 caliber is a killing gun on hogs under the conditions described above.

For the record:  the 1953-65 World Record Grizzly Bear was taken with a single shot 22 LR, not that I would go bear hunting with that.  Here's the full story and photo of the hunter and bear hide:

“Grizzly Guns” by H. V. Stent

If you are planning a grizzly hunt or only dreaming of one, a big question is which rifle to use.

On that fascinating subject, IÂ’ve been amassing information for some 40 years of living as a teacher, fruit grower and hunter in that bear paradise, British Columbia, where stories of encounters with grizzlies and brown bears are enjoyed where ever sportsmen gather and are often headlined in newspapers and television newscasts.

Such meetings sometimes result in a mauled man or shot bear, or both. A recent one ended with both man and bear dead.

Rolf Voss of Surrey, British Columbia, had shot a caribou near Fort Nelson, in the north-central part of the province, and was carrying parts of the carcass back to his camp in wooded mountain country when a grizzly, perhaps smelling the meat, attacked him. Voss got off two shots with his .270 that proved fatal to the bear, but the grizzly bit Voss about the head – they usually go for the head – and killed him. The two bodies were found side by side.

This is no reflection on the .270. That cartridge has killed many grizzlies and browns. In 1985, a fine 27-incher (total skull measurement) fell to a .270 in the hands of Roger Pentecost of Peachland, BC. In 1986, another record-class grizzly was killed by Alvars Barkis of Sinking Spring, Pennsylvania, with a .300 Magnum; and a medium-size one, about 500 pounds, was killed by 12-year-old Gary H. Holmes of Kimberly, BC, with a .25/06. Back in 1965, the world-record grizzly fell to one .30/30 bullet fired by Jack Turner. And before that, the world-record grizzly succumbed to a .22 Rimfire!

Bella Twin, an Indian girl, and her friend Dave Auger were hunting grouse near Lesser Slave Lake in northern Alberta. The only gun they had was BellaÂ’s single-shot bolt-action .22 Rimfire rifle. They were walking a cutline that had been made for oil exploration when they saw a large grizzly following the same survey line toward them. If they ran, the bear would probably notice them and might chase, so they quietly sat down on a brush pile and hoped that the bear would pass by without trouble. But the bear came much too close, and when the big boar was only a few yards away, Bella Twin shot him in the side of the head with a .22 Long cartridge. The bear dropped, kicked and then lay still. Taking no chances, Bella went up close and fired all of the cartridges she had, seven or eight .22 Longs, into the bearÂ’s head. That bear, killed in 1953, was the world-record grizzly for several years and is still high in the records today. Which only goes to show that in an emergency, strange things are possible, but who wants that kind of emergency?



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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2005, 01:09:09 PM »
Got to know just what do you consider a Wild Hog(size/weight)?  Our family Veterinarian was chased up a stunted White Oak by a 275 plus pound Razorback that he had wounded with his Win. 88 .308.  The rifle jammed when he tried to chamber the second shot, leaving him with a expensive club.  Dropped the rifle and up the tree he went.  He always carried a .22 WMR revolver and a box of 40 gr. Winchester solids.  He shot that old boar over 20 times in the head before it went off to lay under some brush nearby.  I laid there and died of the original wound from the .308.  If you going to shoot “Piglets” then I guess a .22 WMR would do but if youÂ’re after bigger “hogs” then get a bigger caliber.  Lawdog
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2005, 01:52:59 PM »
60#'s to 200#'rs and 3 to 11 in number are typical in flood plain / pine upland forest sounders.  Big boars walk alone.  I have never been confronted with a really BIG boar hog while tree sitting with the 22LR.  I would not want to EAT one that large, although I have eaten them well over 300# live weight.  I think I would not shoot a BIG boar with a 22LR.  The results would be speculative.  Big boars need big bores.  So far, every one as described above and shot in the "X" with the 22LR has dropped in its tracks.  That's 20+ and counting.

What do you call a piglet?  Suckling pigs and wet sows are not shot.  Pigs are fed, hogs are eaten.

Farmer Jones got out of his car and while heading for his friendÂ’s door, noticed a pig with a wooden leg.  His curiosity roused, he asks,  "Fred, howÂ’d that pig get him a wooden leg?"

"Well Michael, thatÂ’s a mighty special pig! A while back a wild boar attacked me while I was walking in the woods. That pig there came a  runninÂ’, went after that boar and chased him away.  Saved my life!"

"And the boar tore up his leg?"

"No he was fine after that.  But a bit later we had that fire. Started in the shed up against the barn. Well, that ole pig started squealinÂ’ like he was stuck, woke us up, and ‘fore we got out here, the darn thing had  herded the other animals out of the barn and saved ‘em all!"

"So thatÂ’s when he hurt his leg, huh, Fred?"

"No, Michael. He was a might winded, though.  When my tractor hit a rock and rolled down the hill into the pond I was knocked clean out.  When I came to, that pig had dove into the pond and dragged me out ‘fore I  drownded.  Sure did save my life."

"And that was when he hurt his leg?"

"Oh no, he was fine.  Cleaned him up, too."

"OK, Fred. So just tell me. How did he get the wooden leg?"

"Well", the farmer tells him, "A pig like that, you jest donÂ’t want to eat all at once."

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2005, 07:46:13 AM »
"Only wounded with a 308"  well there's the problem! Piss him off then plink him with a 22 pistol. Not a method I prescribe for quick kills.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2005, 03:36:55 PM »
I've killed a handful of hogs with my Marlin 925MC .22Mag loaded with Winchester Super-X 40gr JHP.

Of course, I choose my shots and limit my range to under 50 yards AND only shoot the meat hogs (under 100 pounds).

Furthest shot was 67 yards, right behind the eye on a nice 80+lb sow.

Now for the qualifier..... on only one occasion have I gone out with my .22Mag with the intention of hunting hogs. Ended up killing three. 8)

All the other times I was out looking for small game, varmints, or on my way to a stand to try to call in some fox. Seeing a group of "meat hogs" in close range with no idea I'm around was just too temtping an opportunity to pass up.

Do I recommend hunting hogs with a .22 Mag....No. However, in times when they present a target of opportunity, and they're close at hand, undisturbed and unaware....perfect size for the grill.....and all you have is a .22 Mag.....if you're comfortable with the shot and your ability to place the the bullet behind the eye or in the ear....I'd go for it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2005, 04:21:02 AM »
I love my 22 s,l,lr and my 22 mag! I love hunting bear hog and anything of value but I do not plan to shoot a bear with either of these little rifles. Only if it is a do are die will I pop a bear with these rifles.

Hunt with a SXS sweet 16 for rabbits and squirrels I worked and bought by myself before I was 16.

Most of the time I hunt with one of my Mosin Nagants for large game. These rifles M&N simple impress me and shooting is a real pleasure.

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2006, 01:33:07 PM »
There is nothing wrong using rim fires to hunt hogs where legal. I personally would not do it for a trophy boar or when on the ground in the open.
 
     There are many guys that have taken them with knives or alive.

     I in my younger days I was witness to my farther and uncle take one with a 3/8 rope. This was a trophy boar and it was not intentional. My uncle owed a friend a hog for a bbq and we went after a small sow. They put out some corn and made a loop on the ground. My father was on the other end of the rope. My uncle drove a couple hundred yards away.

     When the hogs came back it was a large boar (long time ago but think bout 250 or so) stepped into the loop. Well it went from bad to really bad. The loop ended up on the front leg up by the shoulder. Then my dad did not see what he had. When it started dragging him across a flag pond he did not let go. after 50 to 75 yards the came to a palmetto patch and a myrtle tree, the hog went one way and he went the other. This was good however because it jerked the hogs leg under it .

     Well it ripped his hands up real bad. We got the hog though. He was penned up and fed corn. He was the guest of honor at the annual Easter bbq.  

     That being said this June I will go home to hunt  hogs with my father for the first time in a long time. I hope to take trophy (not in size as much as for his cutters) and some for the meat. I will be taking something a lot larger than any .22. I would in right situation though.

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2006, 11:34:37 AM »
I used to hunt in central Fla. and every now and then the hog population would get too high and we had to thin the herd. They were so plentiful that to make thigs interesting we would try to stalk them with 22 mag
single sixes. Sometimes it would get real interesting when someone just wounded one but we never had one get away. Our best day was 3 guys - 11 hogs - longest shot 20 yards with one guy being chased for over 200 yards in a circle by a small boar that we didn't even shoot at, the other two guys were laughing so hard we had to wait for our friend to circle around so we could help, good thing he was in shape to run that far.

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2006, 06:11:47 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2006, 10:48:11 AM »
Ian,
Seeing what she did to that bear, I would not want to be the one to point her lack of looks out to her. :)  :D
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2006, 11:01:30 AM »
:cb2: Hey Oldtimer, that's what came to my mind when I read Haywire's post: "Bet you wouldn't say that to her face—no matter what you thought about it!"  :-D

She might perform a hemorrhoidectomy on you with that .22 . . . and smile while she was doing it! :eek:
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2006, 01:27:47 PM »
In Arkansas the leagal weapon for the open season is the leagal weapon for hogs. There is no season on hogs, but they may be hunted durring any other open season. When only squirrel season is open, it's rimfires only guys! Not the first choice, but the only choice.  Good hits kill them dead.
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2006, 04:22:13 PM »
an ear hole shot will do it with a 22 mag, have killed several myself with that caliber. do not recommened head shot between the eyes.
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