FPE question

[Border Patrol]

Hi. Can anyone give me some info on the FPE ratings of some popular .22 caliber air rifles? What is there that is above the 20 FPE mark for affordable prices?

Thanks
-- Border Patrol

[dave]

what do you consider "affordable"? Not much in the way of low budget guns that shoot that hard.

[Lawdog]

Hi. Can anyone give me some info on the FPE ratings of some popular .22 caliber air rifles? What is there that is above the 20 FPE mark for affordable prices?

Thanks
-- Border Patrol

Any .22 caliber pellet rifle shooting an 18.2 gr. pellet(Beeman Crow Magnum pellets, the ones I prefer to use for hunting) at or above 700 fps. will equal 20 fpe.  Now the lighter the pellet the gain in velocity doesn’t offset the loss in energy.  Example is a H&N Match pellet weights 13.75 gr. and will travel out of the same rifle at 750(+/-) fps but only giving you 17 fpe.  My Tech Force 99M shoots the 18.2 gr. .22 Crow Magnum pellets above 825 fps. thus giving me 28(+) fpe.  An excellent Pellet Trajectory Calculator is called ChairGun2.  Go to http://www.chairgun.com/index.htm and click on Software and click where is says “Click here to learn more”.  Then click the “USA/Australia: Download from here" link and follow the directions.  It’s free as long as you don’t register it.  An excellent guide tool.  Lawdog
 

[Border Patrol]

Did you have the Tech Force 99M tuned? I have a TF25 and was wondering how much it would benefit from a good quality tune

[Lawdog]

Did you have the Tech Force 99M tuned? I have a TF25 and was wondering how much it would benefit from a good quality tune

I have had Charlie, http://www.charliedatuna.com/tuneup.htm, do a Super Tune on all my Chinese air rifles.  I send them to him as soon as I get them.  All my springer air rifles have been tuned no matter who manufactured them.  Makes for a smoother shooting, easier cocking and a longer lasting rifle.  Do I believe that your Model 25 would benefit from a tune?  YOU BET.  Lawdog
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[Dino C]

Hey,
The Straightshooter's web page has some good information on the popular airguns including performance and prices.

Regards, Dino

[jeager106]

Hey,
The Straightshooter's web page has some good information on the popular airguns including performance and prices.

Regards, Dino

Nice plug for straightshooters.
Too bad that if you plug Graybeards site on straightshooters the site owners will crawl right up yer butt and spank you royally.
 :evil:

Too bad. That's why I don't plug s.s. on other sites. Bad neitquet don'cha'know.
They even spanked me for mentioning I had a BSA scope. s.s. is also a retailer and they don't sell BSA.

[Lawdog]

Hey,
The Straightshooter's web page has some good information on the popular airguns including performance and prices.

Regards, Dino

Nice plug for straightshooters.
Too bad that if you plug Graybeards site on straightshooters the site owners will crawl right up yer butt and spank you royally.
 :evil:

Too bad. That's why I don't plug s.s. on other sites. Bad neitquet don'cha'know.
They even spanked me for mentioning I had a BSA scope. s.s. is also a retailer and they don't sell BSA.

And Straight Shooters doesn't do any test reports on items they don't sell or have sold either.  And if you try to comment on items they don't sell they will "spank you" for doing so.  The one thing that Straight Shooters has that is excellent is their "pellet sampler pack".  This you will find hard to beat.  Lawdog
 

[Haywire Haywood]

Can't really blame them, it's their forum in support of their business.  It's just like here.  Graybeard has set his rules of conduct and enforces them evenly and without hesitation.  That's one of the things that sets this forum apart from the others I have been to in the past.

That said, I've been lurking there on a daily basis for 4 to 6 weeks and have yet to see Kevin admonish anyone, even the ones that appear to be poaching cridders out of season and posting the pics to prove it.

Ian

[mjfa]

My Tech Force 99M shoots the 18.2 gr. .22 Crow Magnum pellets above 825 fps. thus giving me 28(+) fpe.

Hi Lawdog!

That TF99M of yours is something very special.  According to your post, it is more powerful than all production springers I can think of, incluiding Kodiak / Patriot, RWS 350, RWS 48-54 and RX2 / HW90 (Gas Ram).  More powerful than many of the current pcp's, and at the same power level as the Theoben Crow Magnum, Eliminator and some Whiscombe's.  Sure it would makes at least a couple of Guiness records!  :eek:

[Lawdog]

My Tech Force 99M shoots the 18.2 gr. .22 Crow Magnum pellets above 825 fps. thus giving me 28(+) fpe.

Hi Lawdog!

That TF99M of yours is something very special.  According to your post, it is more powerful than all production springers I can think of, incluiding Kodiak / Patriot, RWS 350, RWS 48-54 and RX2 / HW90 (Gas Ram).  More powerful than many of the current pcp's, and at the same power level as the Theoben Crow Magnum, Eliminator and some Whiscombe's.  Sure it would makes at least a couple of Guiness records!  :eek:

mjfa,

Factory ratings(which should be used as a guideline ONLY as most factories over state the fps. ratings by at least 5% and that in many cases they are using light weight pellets that you or I can't get a hold of and shouldn't use anyway do to possible damage that could be done to "magnum" springer/gas ram rifles) for the following rifles you quoted:

Tech Force 99m - .22 caliber, 900 fps.(just for the heck of it)
Kodiak / Patriot - .22 caliber, 865 fps.
RX-2 - .22 caliber, 860 fps.
RWS 350M - .22 caliber, 1050 fps.
RWS 48/52 - .22 caliber, 900 fps.
RWS 54 - .22 caliber, 900 fps.
Theoben Eliminator(Beeman doesn’t import anything from Theoben anymore) - .22 caliber, 935 fps.
Theoben Dual Magnum - .22 caliber, 1060 fps.(now discontinued)


Now for a few PCP’s

Air Arms S400/410 Xtra - .22 caliber, 1,000 fps.
Air Force Condor/Talon - .22 caliber, 1,250 fps.
Theoben Rapid 12 - .22 caliber - 1,000 fps.
Career 707 - .22 caliber, 1,000 fps.
 LOGUN S-16 FAC - .22 caliber, 959 fps.

Take into account that all my rifles have been tuned which does improve the velocity on top of making them a smother shooting rifles.  I don’t know about the RX-2, don’t own one and have no desire to own one but I have owned a Kodiak in .22 caliber(traded it in on a Kodiak in .25 caliber) and it shot Crow Magnum pellets at 847 fps.  My son in laws RWS 350M in .22 caliber shoots at 1,013 fps.  I have a few friends that own RWS 48/52/54 and all will shoot 848+/- fps. using Crow Magnum pellets.  I own a Crow Magnum IV in .20 caliber but I traded a Crow Magnum III .22 caliber in to get it.  That Crow Magnum III got 852 fps. using Crow Magnum pellets.  My Dual Magnum gets 1,034 fps.

PCP’s
My Air Arms S410Xtra gets 913 fps. and my cousin’s Air Force Talon SS gets over 1,170 fps. using Crow Magnum pellets.  My wife shoots a .20 caliber Beeman Super 12 MKII(1,052 fps.) and I shoot a Rapid 12/250, .25 caliber(918 fps.) at full power shots on full tanks.  All velocity from over my chronograph.

If you are going by fpe ratings for European(and Canadian) made air rifles take into account that they have a limit, by law, to how much energy the rifles they can use are able to have in their countries.  What they import to America are much more powerful.  Don’t always go by what you read.  Lawdog
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