Author Topic: Fully Free-floating Handi Fore-stocks (Read 2558 times)

McLernon · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2005, 09:12:28 AM »

What folks like Redcloud need to understand is that two-piece stocked rifles do not shoot like one piece stocked rifles. With a two-piece break-barrel rifle things are even more complicated. A two-piece stocked break-barrel rifle is dynamically much more complicated than a one-piece. With a one-piece you free-float, glass bed and your done( more or less).

I admit, I started out with my only Handi not expecting much. I figured such a rifle probably cannot be made to shoot very well. I figured though it would be good for tree-stand shooting coyotes at close range and I wouldn't worry if it got dinged-up since I only paid $279.00CDN for it.

Well since I started shooting WWB ammo and supporting the rifle under the hinge pin I've come to the conclusion that indeed these Handi's can be made to shoot well and I know what this means because I have had plenty of experience with very accurate bolt guns.

That they need to be tinkered with in a different way than other rifles doesn't matter as long as you get results. Just look at the groups posted. My Handi will reliably shoot less than 1 inch groups(avg 4 groups of three shots 0.83 inches).

Those that criticize Handi's probably have never tried one. They look at the break-barrel, conclude that they won't shoot and never give them a second look. Folks that don't try shooting Hand's are really missing allot of fun. There loss!

So there!!

McL

hellacatcher · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2005, 10:37:37 AM »

When I go to the range and my little handi is out doing a hi dollar T C and that fellow is going to get reid of it. Then how much better can I make mine do with a little bit of tinkering, without taking it to a gun smith. Now that makes me fill good with out rubbing it in.

howard NZ · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »

Hey Redcloud,
the bottom line is that we have fun with our guns :grin:, maybe we just have a tendency to try and make things better ( not a bad attitude in this World I think), Why do many of us reload because we maybe can get a more accurate load or load that suits our situation. If it comes down to it why would we go hunting as it would be easier to go the supermarket.
Howard.

DanielWGriggs · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2005, 11:16:12 AM »

I haven't cobbled/duct taped or otherwise modified my Handi's and the three that I shoot shoot better than I can hold off hand. I plan on buying the .22/17M2/22mag/17HMR. since I got the 2005 catalouge today and the rifle is priced at $108.00 -10% cause I work where I can get a discount. I bet each of these will shoot just fine too.

BTW Welcome redcloud, stick around I look forward to some spirted discussion. :twisted:

Graybeard · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2005, 05:41:58 PM »

Redcloud you seem to have gotten off to a bad start here. These guys for some reason love those little handi's and I think the tinkering with them is a large part of that love for them. I think the term tinkering is a more generally acceptable term than cobbled but either way they seem to get a kick out of it. Some of them even took handi's to the NEF Handi Holics First Annual Prairie Dog shoot and used them. Not all guns there were handi's I noted and pointed out to them. More than once. :-D Heck I even used a bone stock one in .30-30 with factory iron sights to pop a few some over 100 yards away.

So why not try again and this next try be a bit more friendly. GBO is a friendly place. Why? Cuz the rules say so and everyone who gets to hang around follows the rules. You had a chance to read them before you registered. In a nutshell tho they can be sumed up as be nice or be gone.

Fred M · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2005, 06:10:48 PM »

Red Cloud.
I venture to say that you know little about rifles in general, let alone anything about the H&R Handi.

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redcloud · « **Reply #36 on:** July 17, 2005, 06:06:42 AM »

FYI Fred, I have several handi rifles and I have made them shoot just as good as the high dollar weatherby's & custom mausers I have.
I didn't make the handi guns shott good with 0-rings, business cards and all kinds of shims stuck here there and everywhere.
Just because the handi-guns are cheap guns does not mean they should be treated like junk.
After building dozens of custom rifles for myself and others I have found that the slam bam throw it together quick fix method usually is not the best way to do things whether it be fixing guns, cars, airplanes etc..

David M.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2005, 06:12:28 AM »

Thanks Graybeard and Fred, great posts!! :agree: :agree: :agree:

Tim

Mac11700 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2005, 07:32:20 AM »

redcloud:

FYI:

The quick fixes we use are usually used as a temporary way of determining accuracy problems....Not all forum members here are as well off finacially as some...and we use these methods until the appropriate way of fixing them can be accomplished.These are quick easy fixes...for those who can't afford or have the knowledge to make permanent changes to their rifles.WIYO...

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no wonder they don't shoot the same everytime with o-rings stuck here and credit card shims pushed in over here.

...is about the furthest from the reality of them.While you mayn't agree...as has been said before..." The proof is in the pudding"...and those of us who have made some of these quick fixes will tell you.Have you seen this thread???http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=64552

Would you care to ask those who participated in it what they have done to make these great little rifles shoot better...

I have the greatest respect for these rifles...as most here on this forum know.. I've gone to great lenghts to make them better with custom chamberings and custom stocks and have spent countless hours searching out qualified gunsmiths who will work on our rifles within a price range that most who want to can afford...Do you have any smiths that will do this...can you bring any to the table who have a working knowledge of these rifles and what it takes to improve them...again..if you do..please post it..so we all can share....

I'll put my Handi's up against just about anyones elses rifles...bolt guns included for a shoot off and most sane ranges..did I cobble mine together...no...I used a o-ring as a shim...why...because it is a Proven way of making these rifles shoot...is it as good as a fully bedded rifle...maybe...why...because until you fully bed one of these rifles you won't know...and as I have explained already...I choose not to dedicate my forearms...there is NO Need To ...Why.....do you have a 30 cal Handi that can shoot sub-quarter inch groups from the bench.I do...do a search and you will see just how accurate it truly is...But....if you do ..please enter it on the next postal match...cause it will only show the rest of the folks who lurk here just how good these rifles are...

If you know of easier ways to help our fellow Handi-Holics in accurizing their rifles...please feel free to share it...but please don't put others down because they can't afford a $50-$100 bedding job...only to have to turn around and buy another forearm for all the different barrels they own...that kind of posting just don't get it..like the Boss said

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So why not try again and this next try be a bit more friendly. GBO is a friendly place. Why? Cuz the rules say so and everyone who gets to hang around follows the rules. You had a chance to read them before you registered. In a nutshell tho they can be sumed up as be nice or be gone.

Mac

justannie2 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2005, 07:51:14 AM »

I guess my Handi is what YOU'D considered 'cobbled'. When you're out shooting and breaking in a new rifle you don't have the time for a professional gunsmithing run.

Oh let's see..... 40 miles to run it to the gunsmith, hmmmm, he's not in, out shooting most likely. Or in the rare circumstance, HOLY MOLY! He's IN! "Sorry, can't get to it for about 10 weeks, just soooooooooo backed up!"

If less than a pennies worth of freezer tape saves me that hassle, I think I'll go for 'the cobbling'. We all don't feel the need for 'master' gunsmithing. If our guns shoot fine with tape or o-rings, so be it. Instead of paying $100+ for bedding, I'll buy me another caliber barrel :wink:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2005, 08:17:37 AM »

Well said, justannie2 and welcome aboard!!

Tim

Mainer · « **Reply #41 on:** July 17, 2005, 08:33:39 AM »

Quote from: redcloud

I have several handi rifles and I have made them shoot just as good as the high dollar weatherby's & custom mausers I have.
I didn't make the handi guns shott good with 0-rings, business cards and all kinds of shims stuck here there and everywhere.

David: Thanks for the clarification. I think most people on this forum would be grateful if you shared your methods for making your Handi Rifles shoot better. Mainer

Mac11700 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 17, 2005, 08:45:32 AM »

Quote from: Mainer

Quote from: redcloud
I have several handi rifles and I have made them shoot just as good as the high dollar weatherby's & custom mausers I have.
I didn't make the handi guns shott good with 0-rings, business cards and all kinds of shims stuck here there and everywhere.

David: Thanks for the clarification. I think most people on this forum would be grateful if you shared your methods for making your Handi Rifles shoot better. Mainer

Absolutely :agree:

That's what makes this forum .....soooo much better than all the rest...as I just told Fred M in a PM...there are several ways to skin a cat...and what works for one...may not work for another...We all here are looking to make our rifles better...in one way or another..so...with that...lets get back to it...and leave the bickering for those other places that live for it...ehhh...

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #43 on:** July 17, 2005, 08:48:28 AM »

!!!! Yes sir!!!!

Fred M · « **Reply #44 on:** July 17, 2005, 11:21:50 AM »

Quick

Where did you get the funny guy with the sign?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #45 on:** July 17, 2005, 11:50:42 AM »

Fred, it's one of the emoticons available at RFC..

http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php?

Tim

hellacatcher · « **Reply #46 on:** July 17, 2005, 03:10:26 PM »

If duct tape will work. What kind do I use, how much, and what for? Heck I'll use it if it works. Just tell me I need to know. :lol:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #47 on:** July 17, 2005, 03:14:38 PM »

Heck, you can even get clear duct tape now, so no one would even know it's on there!!!! :roll:

Tim :eek:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 17, 2005, 06:29:25 PM »

Ohhhhhh...yes they would...it would be a real mess to clean off after it heated up and all that glue started to run

Mac

justannie2 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2005, 04:37:32 AM »

Duct tape, everybodys friend :lol:

Need a little more length to your stock butt, heck, just keep layering duct tape to the desired length. Then slap on the butt plate to cover it :lol: :wink:

Norseman112 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2005, 10:29:53 AM »

Redcloud,
You should never make someone feel bad because they got their rifles to shoot good for what ever the reason may be. That just isn't right. If you have better ways please share and you will be treated good here.

Norse