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Offline Mikey

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« on: July 24, 2005, 06:58:49 AM »
A friend is building a flintlock rifle from a kit (looks pretty good, too) and has asked me what the term 'Longhunter' means.  Apparently taht was in some literature he read but it wasn't defined.  Anybody have any ideas what that term means???  Thanks.  Mikey.

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2005, 07:37:01 AM »
Longhunters were for the most part farmers in western Pa, Va and NC that after crops were harvested would depart for Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee to hunt to supplement their income with skins.  Others on longer excursions were more than likely Explorers, Surveyors or Traders.  I know this is pretty short but there are literally volumes devoted to long hunters.  It's my understanding that the term was coined during the war of 1812.
An excellent resource is "The Hunters of Kentucky   A Narrative History of America's First Far West, 1750-1792"  by Ted Franklin Belue
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2005, 12:32:18 PM »
If I remember my history correctly, which is always suspect,  the term Longhunter was in use during the French and Indian War.  Boone was a Longhunter and by his own admission was no farmer, and many others never bent to a plow either.  Boones longest hunt was 2 years.  Their main quarry was the whitetail deer, the skins of which were used as money, thus our slang, "buck", for a dollar.  They also took whatever other game was presented them and trapped in addition to hunting.  Oddly, to us, their best hunting for deer was in the summer when their hides were thinner and I suppose easier to work and made for a softer leather.  The Longhunter history makes for interesting reading and corresponds with much of our early history as a country, especially our "first west" as Belue puts it.

As Butler Ford said there are hundreds, if not thousands, of volumes on the subject.  I really enjoyed Belues book.  

As an aside, for years I thought the Indian wars in the west of the plains and Rockies were bloody confilicts, and they were, but they don't hold a candle to the bloodletting and savagery, from both sides, of the settling of our "first west".  As one example, General Arthur St. Clair lost something over 500 men in one failed expedition to subdue the tribes of the Old Northwest, and that happened twice.  Custer and his loss of 200+ men pale by comparison.  My current study of that period has been enlightening to say the least.

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2005, 07:23:20 AM »
I too believe the term "Longhunter" is much older than the War of 1812 period.
I believe that ButlerFord45 may have confused the term "Kentucky Rifle"
The earliest documented use of the phrase Kentucky Rifle comes from the War of 1812 song "The Hunters of Kentucky".
Although this is somewhat in despute. It seems the Ottawa war chief Pontiac had a wife whose name was given as Kan-Tuck-Hee-Gun(or Gon).
The question is that since Native Americans sometimes changed their name over the course of their life time, did Kan-Tuck-Hee-Gun carry that name at the time she was Pontiac's wife, or was her name changed sometime later in her life? Pontiac was murdered in 1765. An alternate spelling was also Kan-Tuck-Hegun.
Also does Kan-Tuck-Hee-Gun indeed refer to guns or long rifles?

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2005, 10:51:17 AM »
Quote from: dlemaster
I too believe the term "Longhunter" is much older than the War of 1812 period.
I believe that ButlerFord45 may have confused the term "Kentucky Rifle"
The earliest documented use of the phrase Kentucky Rifle comes from the War of 1812 song "The Hunters of Kentucky".
Regards, Dave



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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2005, 11:50:13 AM »
Gentlemen - thank you, one and all.  Mikey.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2005, 12:52:14 PM »
Daniel Boone was quoted, lamenting, in his old age, something to the effect, "No more long hunts for me".