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Offline Bogmaster

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« on: July 29, 2005, 02:40:34 PM »
For those of you that dip your traps,quit procrastinating and do it now.
 There is no better time for dipping,than the dog days of summer.
 Remember,don't use gasoline---use coleman fuel.By dipping now and using coleman fuel,you will get a quick and complete dry out of your traps.
 Now do as I say---don't use gasoline,spend a bit more on the coleman,and save yourself oodles of trouble.
 I am going to do as I preach,going to be back into the 90s tomorrow--just the right time for me to get all my traps dipped.
 Tom
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2005, 03:10:19 PM »
Newton,you were oh so right---it was an ad  lol.
 Tom
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2005, 03:28:07 PM »
Now listen to Bog , he  knows what he knows what he is talking about and now is the time to do traps not fall when you should be scouting and gettin permission...  oh yea for you snuff dippers  dont use colemans LOL....

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2005, 06:35:22 PM »
I've been done for three weeks.  Should I do them again to keep Boggy happy?

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2005, 04:04:23 AM »
I don't dip but I'm going to buy stock in Coleman today.

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2005, 04:06:32 AM »
Those armadillos don't care if traps are rusty Wacky  :)  :grin:  :-D  Ace

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2005, 08:18:32 AM »
Bog, you ever use Mineral Spirits (paint thinner)?
I've been using my own made net dip with thinners on traps that works very well and cheaper than Coleman fuel.

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2005, 11:24:01 AM »
As ya old fart, there you go hyjacking a perfectly serious thread talkin about non-target critters...AGAIN :roll:

If I told ya once I told ya a billion times (inflation) there ain't no armydildos in NM!  Geesh  :P

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2005, 01:06:22 PM »
I have used mineral spirits,the mix is like 1 to 1 .where as coleman is around 4 to 1.
 I have had such good luck with coleman,I highly doubt I would switch.
 Tom
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2005, 03:41:05 PM »
Boggy got me!!!!!!!! LOL
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2005, 05:06:17 AM »
I just want to know if dipping has any odor afterward.  I've been sceptical just because I can't get past the whole fuel thing. Is dipping only good for water sets or can you use it for land sets?  Somebody set me straight on this.
If a tree falls in the woods and my wife is not there to hear it...is it still my fault?

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2005, 05:34:57 AM »
Thumper,when done early,and done correctly---many trappers take canines in dipped traps.The key is to do it now,and don't use gasoline.There are so many additives in gasoline,you don't get a complete dry out--without a complete dry out,you end up  with sticky, stinky traps.
 Many Wisconsin canine addicts,dip their traps as do several members of this forum .
 Tom
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2005, 01:38:51 PM »
I'll try again. LOL

I have been using a Water Soluble Dip (mixes with water)for both my land and water traps. (it dont come off in water once it's dry)
 It drys to the touch in 1 hour. You can put your traps out on the line in 24 hours. No air out time. Its safe and it works.

Hows that Boggy ?
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2005, 01:58:11 AM »
I did a test with Newt's "Formula One" water based dip some time backon coyotes.  I made eight sets with the unset trap buried at dirthole and my lures down the holes.  I had coyotes, fox, coon, fisher and bobcats all over those sets with no digging at the trap or even one set avoidance.  Formula One is an acceptable alternative to traditional dyeing and waxing of traps.  Ace

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2005, 03:40:00 AM »
Newt  Do you have to dip repeatedly with Formula One to get good coverage on your traps?
I love the smell of coyote gland lure early in the morning.It smells like victory!!

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2005, 07:59:44 AM »
I only had to dip the 8 traps I did the testing  with one time and the Formula One took real good.  However, these were not new shiny traps but rather old, well used traps with a little rust on thm.  Ace

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2005, 09:28:42 AM »
yup, i am dipping my traps next sunday or saturday.

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2005, 12:45:09 PM »
Dips are great for coon traps and water traps.  I use both F-1 and speed dip on these every year.

But....If you are serious about coyotes- dye and wax or just wax.

Some people in small isolated areas of the country can use dip without problems- but I know and regularly correspond with dozs of good coyote men in the north, east midwest and west- and they ALL stay away from the dips.

I ued the dips for years and in fact had my best coyote year ever using dips- but oh my the misses.

Did repeat experiments testing the dips- and found out what I knew- dips put off a lot of coyotes.

So- save time...or do it right. My opinion of course....trappnman
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2005, 07:32:09 PM »
:D I'm done, they are all dipped or dyed and waxed.  Never been done so soon.  Now the fur market will fall even farther down, I've seen too many road kills.  But I got to try anyway.

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2005, 03:09:43 AM »
For the first treatment you should dip your traps 2-3 times. From then on when the traps come in off the line 1 coat will do the job.

Trapnman,
 I guess "REAL" trappers like Asa,Bob Jameson,Clint Locklear and Slim Pedersen. Cant catch Coyotes. These guys just about cover all on the areas in the states.
 Asa- North
Bob Jameson-East
Clint Locklear-South
Slim Pedersen-West
Better start "Do'n It" Your self before you pass on advice instead of just go'n by what "someone said" .Most of which are hobby trappers who could'nt catch a cold if they tryed.  
 O-yea, It's been tested at the  FUR TAKERS of AMERICA TRAPPERS COLLEGE.Diped and cought fur the very next day. Just like wax and die
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2005, 06:41:44 AM »
Lets not confuse the guys,Newt is talking about his water based dip.Dont dip your traps several times if you are using speed dip types with coleman fuel.
 I single dip my body grippers with the speed dip types,that way I do not have to scrape the triggers and dogs.
 Next time we do a trap prep post,I will break it down into differant posts--less confusion for the newbies.
 On my initial post I should have put,Dipping Time for those that use or want to use the coleman and dip.
 If we can stick to one thing on each post ,others will understand better.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2005, 07:46:42 AM »
No, the post was not confusing.  Two different types of dip.

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2005, 09:02:27 AM »
don't get defensive newt- Im not making up anything and i'm probably quessing I've caught as many coyotes using DIPS and F-1 as any man around. And probably more on dips then a couple of the names you mentioned.

my best year ever, like I stated (107 MN cooytes and 18 fox) in about 4 weeks was with dip.

But the misses- they didn't bother me when I was learning the coyote trade- but they do now.

One year a few years ago- In Jan, 10-20 below weather- bare ground with snow coming- I made a test line ENTIRELY to test dips and F-1.

I made dirt patterns 6-10 feet around each set so I knew fresh dirt wasn't causing the digigng.  I knew snow was coming- so all visuals were gone.  All test traps were dipped in Aug and Sept and hung up since that point.  

That night- 2 inches of snow. Next morning- dug up set after dug up set- sure, we caught coyotes- but snow doesn't lie.  

Over next 3 weeks- ran this line with unusual circumstances of below zero weather and snow every few days- not much, but enough to cover tracks.

Noticed way to much digging  AT THE TRAP.

I then pulled this line- and went back to the SAME area and in many cases the SAME sets. With dyed and waxed traps. The digging stopped IMMEDIATELY and I ran that line for 10 days or so with no digging.

I then trapped coyotes for the dnr for 4 or more weeks that spring using both waxed traps and dipped traps. The dipped traps got dug- not all- but the digigng was at the dipped traps. The waxed traps- nada.

These are the facts. And I've been waxing and dying my canine traps ever since. Anyone else is free ot do what the wish- but I KNOW the results on my line.

As I also said- I use F-1 exclusively on my gophertraps- on all my land coon traps and all my mink/coon/etc water traps. Love it for that.

But not canines. And thats my opinion based on my results, trapping coyotes for $$$ here in MN. I'm not going to argue about it- or try to convince anyone to do things differently.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2005, 10:03:26 AM »
Guess MN. Coyotes are smarter ?
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2005, 10:51:16 AM »
newt I would concider handleing F-1next year but my wife spent all my extra money! So I couldn't aford to pick up a sample in Mn. You are right about Mn. yotes being smarter than wis possums by a bit! :eek:

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2005, 12:25:13 PM »
I should add that F-1 is the only "quick" type of dip I sell and use.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2005, 02:46:53 PM »
The testing I did with F-1 was in mid Summer and as I stated before, I had no problem with animals digging at or avoiding my sets.  However, I didn't test it in the Winter snow months like trappnman's testing. Trapping deep snow here in upper Michigan has always been sort of my specialty and favored season because i'm generally the only one in my area out there that time of year and fox, coyote and bobcat are concentrated in the cedar swamps where rabbits, grouse and deer are readily available.  From many years experience trapping snow I can guarantee one thing, traps must be scrupulously clean or they will be smelled instantly from several yards away and be avoided or dug at, more often avoided by the canines arching way out around the sets as they don't seem to even want to get close. Even when traps are meticulously dyed and waxed the traditional way, it many times is not enough.  Because most sets are made in or near cedar swamps, I use a hint of cedar oil in the trap dye solution and also add a hint of cedar oil to the trap wax.  This natural odor added to the traditional dye and wax procedure just about puts an end to set avoidances or digging in the snow months, one can quickly note the differences in reaction around sets.  Just because one doesn't always have an opportunity at bare ground sets to see how many set avoidances they might be having, doesn't mean it isn't happening. I not only trap a deep snow country but have the privilege of trapping a vast sand country in the non snow months.  I carried the lessons I learned in the snow to Summer trapping in the bounty era by adding sweet ferns to the trap dye and to the wax as most sets were made in sweet fern country. Just like Winter, this method puts an end to set avoidances, walk-bys, set circleing, trapising back and forth in front of the set and digging at the trap.  One can never be to careful with their traps and equipment if they want to harvest in maximum numbers. After my experiences with thousands of coyote, i've never even tried speed dip on a trap and cringe at the thought of it.  However, I deal with trappers on a daily basis day in and day out year after year. The expert and professional trappers I know report having had poor results with petroleum based dip in that set were avoided in big numbers. This concurs with what trappnman is saying. After one season they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.  I realize that many trappers live in towns, making it difficult to set up big trap boilers and lines to hang traps on and many don't have a lot of time to fuss with traps for hours on end. So, when Newt first come out with Formula One he asked me to give it a try and I accepted by running the test I mentioned in the above posting.  I know 8 traps dipped with F-1 isn't a conclusive testing but the fact that I left these trap in the ground for a considerable time and had multiple coyote and fox visits with not one negative incident does impress me enough to say that F-1 is a viable alternative to those who can't dye and wax traps the traditional way or don't have the time to do so. F-1 is also a better alternative to speed dip on land used traps. Plain waxing without dyeing is also an alternative to speed dip but if I were to do it that way I would add the subtle fragrance of something natural to my trapline area.  I never tried it and don't know if they would mix but maybe one could add fragrance such as cedar, pine, spruce, or whatever is native to one's area with F-1 too.  This is my honest evaluation, if one is going to dip land traps, give Newt's Formula One a try and leave speed dip on the shelf.  Ace

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2005, 03:04:54 PM »
Asa, as a good point.I dont trap in the snow. I go south as the weather gets colder. Starting in Maine and ending up in Misissippi or North Carolina.

Trapnman, You might just conformed what Asa said.My hats off to you!

For those who want to try it- you can wax over F-1 with out contamating your wax bucket.
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