Tighter groups

[D.E.C]

Im want to tighten up the groups from my .54cal Blue Ridge. Going to try 70grs of 3f Swiss With a .535dia rb and a variety of patch thicknesses. .05 to .15. Ox-Yoke. Been getting 2-3 inch groups but want 1-2 inch like I get from my other rifles. Also I heard from my gun dealer that Ox-Yoke is out of business. Any info on that?

[lonewolf5347]

D E C : HAVE YOU TRIED A WAD UNDER THE PATCH?
I FIND THAT MY T/C FLINTERS SHOOT EXCELLENT WITH A WAD BEFORE THE PATCH ROUND BALL.I ALSO FAVOR THE PILLOW MATERIAL OUT OF WALMART MAYBE .015 DIP INTO A MIX OF BEESWAX AND LARD AND A TABLE SPOON OF OLIVE OIL.
I WAS OUT THE OTHER DAY AND WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH POWDER IT WILL TAKE BEFORE MY GROUPS START TO OPEN
I GOT UP TO 100 GRAINS OF GOEX 3F A WAD AND HORNADY RB AND STILL AT THE 50 YARD TARGET ONE RAG HOLE  :-D

[lostid]

well, the 3f swiss is way to hot for the large bores. 3f swiss is primer powder/small bore stuff.
 for the .54,, 1.5 swiss is the most efficiant, (at 70 grs) Yes powder use equizilants can be found, Go ahead try it,,,,,but your going to burn alot of powder finding that 70 grn's( by volume) of 3f swiss ain't the ticket for the .54 cal.,, now I don't want too get into the mearuremnet argurement again,,,,,,,everyone measures by volume,K? geez.

 ox-yoke?,  you'll be fine,,,,,the employies bought the company. it was a bail out thing,,,there might be a name change/same stuff.

now my question is,,Have ya ever seen,, a Top Shooter,,local,state, or Nation wide,,,,use ox-yoke patch?

[D.E.C]

tried 1.5 swiss in .50 and .54 cal and wasnt happy with the accuracy. somebody on this site, i forget who, suggested 3f so i thought i'd try it.
i've never seen a top b\p shooter state , local , or otherwise. i go to the range, shoot, have fun and generally hit my targets, or real close anyway.

[crow_feather]

For a lot of people, 50 grs of 3f Goex will put 5 shots into one large hole at 50 yds with a 54 prb.  I use 70 grs 3f Goex fo hunting deer.

C F

Also remember that the patch thickness has a lot to do with accuracy.

[lostid]

Been getting 2-3 inch groups but want 1-2 inch like I get from my other rifles.

hhhmm? ask yourself,,what are you doing different with the blueridge', why is it different than your other rifles? i'm being honest here,,3f swiss is too hot for proper load development in a .54 rifle, 3f goex is different than 3f swiss. the properties of the powders are way different,,it's about the charcoal and the nitrates,,,,different.

 I like hot/fast powders. I use 2f swiss or t7 in my .54 rifle with my patch/lube combo and have experimented with about 500 shot's finding that prb/lube/powder combo that works really good for me. Now if you gave me a can of 2f Goex and wanted/said/asked to get the same result's??,,I'd have ta shoot about 40-60 round's, change a few things, too get consistant results. That doesn't mean I couldn't make 2-3 quick "deerhunting" shot's with a different powder,,or patch change,,or lube,,

I'm not saying Goex is better than Swiss or versa,,it's just that they are different, and consistancy of variables is key too accuracy.
 good luck

[dodd3]

lostid go to black powder cartridge site click on tec info pedersoli black powder loads, they list 120 grns of fff with a 230 grn  round ball.ffff is a priming powder not fff.  all  there proof loads are with swiss fff ,as told to me by oz distributor.  
bernie

[williek]

Cartridge data does not translate to RB patch data.  
CrowFeather usually has good advice and I would advise using it.  
I tried many different powders and found fffg goex to be most accurate in my .54
My final load was 90 grains of fffg .018 walmart ticking (blue stripe) lubed with moosemilk.  This is a pretty stiff load I am going to use for hunting, but I get cloverleafs at 50 yards and am pleased with it.
I got the education on how to find that load by reading ALL the posts  from the beginning to the end of the traditional posts on this site.
There is no magic load.  You have to do the work for finding the load for your rifle, but you will save alot of time and money if you read all the posts on this site.
Good luck and have fun doing it, I know I certainly did!
williek

[dodd3]

williek the 120 grns fff is fore pedersolie muzzleloader's  along with there cartridge gun loads,chec it out fore your self .
bernie   :roll:

[lostid]

thank you williek,,your words are good, :agree:

 I wish I had your kind of diplomacy; please share with dodd3 about how proof loads don't equil accuracy. i ain't good with words. I kin tell'em,, but they don't listen :?  know what I mean?

[dodd3]

losttid  the 120 grns fff is not a proof load it is the recommended max load for pedersoli .54 muzzleloader's.i was just trying to show that he was well within the max charge for his gun.  
bernie :-)

[lostid]

ok dodd3 sorry if i stepped on toes,,it just seems ifn i try ta help with practiced experiance i get shot down.,,
 some of these guy's say "ah those old school BP shoooters,,,bah!""

 Well? Ain't Traditional Black Powder Firearms,, old school?? I mean if they change Muzzleloaders from traditional,,wouldn't it be prudent to post or ask on the "modern ML" thread?
 Trad arms' can do some amazing stuff,,believe me!

[dodd3]

hi lostid i know wot you mean lol. bin shootin the front loaders for over 30 years never had a mishap yet, hope i never will i have never shot a stag with my muzzleloader's, as there are very few in west oz. they are all on the other side of the country.new south wales and queensland.have shot lots of wiled goats scrub bulls asian buffalo camel's donkeys and wiled pigs my buff that i got was a one shot instant  kill. also thank you fore the kind words about my shootin with my .54 tryon the other day.you should check out the site i posted its very good.  
regards bernie  
 :grin: