45/70 Legal as a Muzzleloader in MS????

[Jeffery8mm]

I was just told at the local gun shop in town that the 45/70 was going to be a legal muzzleloader this year.  Seems the cartridge falls into a category of OLD cartridges that will allow this.
Anybody elso from Mississippi heard this
Jeff

[Jeffery8mm]

Found this

This an approved list that we have for the new public notice on the breechloading sigle shot rifles, kind or type manufactured before 1900 with an exposed hammer, .38 cal or larger.

This list is by no means exclusive. This is just a list comprised of commonly available rifles.

SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE PRIMATIVE WEAPONS:

Sharps rifles or replicas
Reminton Rollingblock rifles or replicas
Ballard rifles
Maynard rifles or replicas
Burnside carbines
Frank Wesson rifles
Remington Hepburn rifles
M1873-1888 Springfield (trapdoor) Rifles and Carbines and replicas
Snider (British) rifles or replicas
Wesson & Harrington 1871 Rifles
New England Firearms or Harrington & Richardson Handi Rifles
Winchester M1885 Hi Wall or Lo Wall rifles or replicas (Also Browning B78 or 1885)

SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE NOT PRIMATIVE WEAPONS!!!!

Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 (no exposed hammer)
Thompson Center Contender or Encore Carbines (designed after 1900)
Mossberg SSi Single Shot Rifle (no exposed hammer and designed after 1900)

http://www.mdwfp.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10972

[Cottonwood]

Lucky Dog You  :-D

I wish Montana would get with the program  :x

[knight0334]

Dang!  Must be nice....

[quickdtoo]

Yup, that is pretty darn liberal!! Our primitive firearms laws don't allow 209 ignition, enclosed ignition, jacketed bullets, or glass in sights, and they must be loaded from the muzzle :cry:

Tim

[ONE HOLE 4570]

Way to go Now thats a good deal wish we could get in on that one. :cry:

[MtJerry]

Lucky Dog You  :-D

I wish Montana would get with the program  :x

I'm with you Montanan ... i'd love a seperate season for muzzle loaders.

[jeff223]

the muzzle loader hunting rules in some of these states are about as stupid as you can get.makes you wonder if "SHEMP" goes around and makes up their rules and laws  for them.i think a non shooter and non hunter is behind most of these rules :?

must be my Contender is a pre 1900 model because it has an exposed hammer :shock:

[quickdtoo]

Having a muzzleloader season isn't always ideal, ours is pick one per game tag and that's it, no hunting deer with muzzleloader and modern firearm, it's one or the other unless you want to use the primitive weapon during the modern firearm season. :x

Tim

[Mac11700]

Now...if we can just convice the Missouri Dept. of Conservation on this one :lol:

Mac

[Jeffery8mm]

I bet the 45/70 sales go through the ROOF in MS this year.
Maybe even starting with me!!!!

Jeff

[Leftoverdj]

.38-55 would seem to make the cut, too.

[Mitch in MI]

I had been thinking I could use my 45-70 handi here in Michigan if I shoved the powder and primer in the back and the bullet in the front. That last part might be a bit difficult however.

[Haywire Haywood]

Guess I gotta be the nay-sayer. I personally think it's a bad thing.  The whole idea of a primitive weapons season is to give those that "go at it the hard way" another chance at getting one.  A 45/70 while old is not at all primitive.  It's not even in the same class as a front stuffer.  I wonder how many of those that take advantage of that law are casting their own and shooting real black.

I think modern muzzleloaders that shoot jacketed bullets with enclosed ignitions, some even using smokeless powder should be deemed "Modern Firearms" and restricted to that season.  If you're gonna go traditional, then go traditional and don't ride the fence with a modern contraption that while loaded from the front is designed to shoot 250yd MOA groups in a rainstorm.

<<rant off>>

Ian

[quickdtoo]

I agree with ya Ian, but united we stand and divided we fall, so it's not good for hunters/shooters to pit the traditional against the modern in a squabble over what's right and what's wrong. Even Pennsylvania has done away with the requirement for patched round ball and flintlock only for part of their muzzleloading season.
 
Tim

[poncaguy]

I'll stick with my Encore 209x50, Omega 50, or Tradations Purssuit LT 50.............I feel so undergunned thoufg,,,,,,, :cry:

[Jeffery8mm]

I agree, it is not very traditional,  But really and truly, neither is my NEF Hunstman!!  The state seems to think we need to shoot MORE deer, guess this is a good way to entice folks to hunt that last "muzzleloader" season of the year.
Jeff

[Cottonwood]

The one thing that they should have specified is that the cartridges for the breechloaders, would have to be loaded with BP, Pyrodex or other alternate substitute and lead bullets.  :eek:

[Jeffery8mm]

What is so bad is that I can hunt with the 45/70 and factory ammo during regular gun season for a 18.00 big game state liscense. If I hunt with the SAME gun and ammo during "muzzleloader"I have to buy the SPortsmans liscense for about 30.00 dollars.  Go figure

Jeff

[JPH45]

What is so bad is that I can hunt with the 45/70 and factory ammo during regular gun season for a 18.00 big game state liscense. If I hunt with the SAME gun and ammo during "muzzleloader"I have to buy the SPortsmans liscense for about 30.00 dollars.  Go figure

Jeff

You're paying for the extra days.

I don't see any problem with using smokless in the cases for guns of the old chamberings. Even hopped up, they are never capable of banjo string trajectories. Anyone that can take long range game shots with black powder velocities will not notice any great advantage to smokeless loaadings, other than they won't have to go home and clean their gun that night. Any advangages smokeless gives to the trajectories of these old cartridges still won't make up for being able to read range and actually see. My biggest handicap with irons is my eyesight. Don't matter if I'm shooting a 300 Win Mag, past 125 yards or so, I simply can't see well enough to use irons past that range.

I also applaud Mississippi for their far sighted thinking in this. It is a great encouragement to get people who think it takes 5 rounds in the magazine of a magnum bolt or semi auto to hunt deer.

As to hunting in a traditional form, there is nothing in the laws to prevent anyone from doing so. There was a time, not too distant, that the only way to go out with ones V and Bead sighted Kentucky rifle was to do so during the regular firearms season. It garnered enough support to create a seperate season, perhaps this can generate enough interest to create some special hunts as well.

[missed_shot]

I have a 45/70, a 38/55 and 3 muzzleloaders. One is a huntsman and the others 2 are traditional. There is something to be said of using a truly primitive weapon to hunt with. I like to hunt for the challenge more than the meat. Don't get me wrong I love venison and don't pass up the opportunity to get some.There is a certain suspense I get with a flintlock not knowing if the gun will fire or not . For me  it's fun for others it's frustrating. Just like some like to archery hunt with a bow others use a crossbow.

[quickdtoo]

Having hunted with a flintlock and patched round ball for many years I have not had that feeling, knowing your firearm and practicing with it will insure that doesn't happen. After all, our forefathers and those before and after them for the last 300 years have used the flintlock, it's been used longer than any other form of firearm in history. All you need is the proper mentoring to know how and what to do to make it work properly and the knowledge of what makes a good flintlock.

There are those that consider any firearm other than a flintlock to not be traditional, but where do you draw the line?? Inlines, fiber optic sights, real black powder vs substitutes, and on and on....

Tim

[Cottonwood]

I took this doe taken with my repro Sharps in 45-90 using a 530-gr paper patch bullet using 85.0 gr of FFg Goex

[quickdtoo]

4 point blacktail taken with a .498" round ball from my .50 Cal Lancaster..

Tim

[Jeffery8mm]

Good gosh quick,  you blew that deers head clean off!!!!!
    Jeff

[missed_shot]

Nice rack and head ,but a very small body if you go by the picture.
   :wink:

[Longcruise]

but where do you draw the line??

You guys are all killin me! :shock:   (not pickin on you Quick, you just happened to have posted a good spin off line :grin: )

As far as I'm concerned, a ML season should be restrticted to real muzzle loaders (not cartridge guns), should shoot real BP, A lead slug or a round ball, have open iron sights, and either a #11 cap lock or flint lock ignition.

Anything else is just a crutch for hunters who want to take advantage of a "special" season but not be inconvenianced by having to learn how or take the "risk" of actually using primitive equipment. (ohmigosh, what if doesn't go off!  Oh my, I'll have to clean up that dirty old black powder fouling!  etc. etc.etc. )

The only ones who benefit from the "modern" ml guns or the cross bows in these seasons are the people who manufacture them and want to cram them down the throats of the state regulators so they can make more profit.  Like you said, quick, divide we fall and the guys who make this stuff purely for the buck could care less about their divisiveness.  These seasons all across the country were developed purely to accomadate and encourage the use of historical type ml firearms.  Lets leave it that way!!

After all, if you are a true blue died in the wool "modern" ml hunter you can carry that rifle during the regular firearms seasons in most states (at least that's so in mine).  Same goes for cross bows.  Don't see em out there though, do ya?

It's because the guys who want to hunt with them are not really dedicated "modern" ml hunters or dedicated cross bow hunters.  I have carried my ML guns during modern rifle seasons many years because I was not able to draw a ml permit.

It's a special season for a special way of hunting and it does take a special desire and motivation to want to do it.  Far as I'm concerned, anybody who doesn't have it should stay home and wait for the "Weatherby" season.

Guess I'd better end this before I go off and say what I really think!

[quickdtoo]

I hear ya, LC!!! And I agree with you 100% That bodiless buck was shot in the modern season cuz our ML seasons leave a lot to be desired, so I chose to hunt with the flinter. The pic was an afterthought....after the carcass was at the butcher's. Notice I'm not wearing any hunter orange which is required during any modern season.

Tim

[Mac11700]

It doesn't matter which side of the fence your on...some folks hate anything modern...others have to have the latest gizmo to make their hunts easier...but...if your going to make a primative   anything season...then we all should be using hand napped  flint  spears...and leave the modern weapons at home...not to mention all of the other modern things...like gortex thisulate rubber...steel...ect...ect...ect...see where this can go...if we let it.. :-D

I've seen this type of argument over bow hunting...and while the purist in me would choose to use one type of bow over another...I won't cut anyone down for what they choose to use... and Quick said it all...

I agree with ya Ian, but united we stand and divided we fall, so it's not good for hunters/shooters to pit the traditional against the modern in a squabble over what's right and what's wrong.

...because this is exactly what some nearsighted holier than thou purist would have you do...fight each other...and that my friends is something none of us can afford to do..

Mac

[dodd3]

all hunters should stick together no mater wot they shoot. you should try living in  west australia .they band duck hunting they are trying to ban hunting pigs with dogs all because of the rspca and and the animal libers. so stick together guys before its to late.
bernie