Dukkllr
You gotta stop taking this so personal. Nobody is calling you names or lableing you. Ideas and thoughts are another matter, and that leads to friendly discussion.
As per the topic of "caged" hunts, I will concur that there are some very questionable operations out there as well as some questionable folks patronizing them. We can all come up with a caged situation that we don't agree with.
Part of the problem is that some of the caged killings are refered to as "hunting". Thats not a very good description and I'm sure we agree on that.
The other part of the problem is that you now have a state department ( Indiana ) legislating what manor of killing is acceptable or unacceptable. The antis are behind this 100%. It is nothing more that a baby step toward their adgenda of banning all hunting. Just like them trying to block or stop dove hunts. They use "birds of peace" as props to sway the otherwise neutral people in their way of thinking. Same with the "pretty" wolves that some folks associate with house pets. Follow the predator control issues in Alaska when the state tries to address the high wolf numbers. They antis come outta the woodwork. Same goes for baiting bears.
There will often times be hunting or hunting related type issues that sportsman will not always agree on. But to use the rational that since it is not neccessarily your style of hunt, then its ok to ban it only serves to divide sportsman and fuel the antis.
I will not sit here and say that all canned/caged operation are "hunts" per se, I would rather think of them as another venue to put meat on the table ( yes, some do it for the "trophy" value I know ) However I will not buy into the feely thought proccess that the antis use to further restrict the rights and freedoms we have, or use to have. A canned & banned hunt of 5 acres today becomes a canned & banned hunt of 5,000 acres tomorrow.
This reminds me of the attempt to ban .50 cal guns in some states. I am willing to bet that there are hunters and sportsman out there who do not give a damn about it, never realizing that it is nothing more than an attemp to grab guns.
Here is what Heidi Prescott, senior vice president for The HSUS had to say...
"The Indiana Department of Natural Resources has taken the lead in outlawing this unsporting and inhumane practice and we hope that other states will follow." "Tens of thousands of animals in Indiana will be spared from being shot behind fences with no chance of escape. Hunters and animal advocates agree that there's nothing sporting about shooting a tame animal trapped behind a fence."
Did you catch the part where she says
"inhumane"?? To me, taking a 400yard shot at an animal, only to injure it and never retrieve it is inhumane. Dropping an animal at a much closer range with a big ass exit hole through both lungs is indeed a
humane kill. Did you also catch the part about
"Hunters and animal advocates agree " 
Would those words ever come from sportsman??? Not from one who follows the adgenda of the antis. The way they unilateraly include (all) hunters is another tactic to seek approval from the neutral folks.
Here is a little story for you.
Cannibals and useful idiots
Written by John Wasmuth
The following is real, and itÂ’s here.
Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this;
“Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.”
“Sure did Bob.”
“Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?”
“Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.”
“Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?”
“Yes, I sure am.”
“Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?”
“No, no I haven’t.”
“Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.”
“Well, that’s not the way I hunt.”
“I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.”
“Well, uh, I guess not.”
“Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?”
“Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.”
“Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.”
So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.
“Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?”
“Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?”
“Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there.
Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.
“Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.”
“Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.”
“But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.”
“Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.”
“But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.”
“Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.”
You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”.
If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it.
In closing, I will say this: If someone kills a animal ( in a similar manor they kill beef cattle ) and wants to call it a trophy then so be it. I myself likely will never do it. Does'nt mean that there should be a law against it.[/i]
