Indiana Bans Canned Hunts!

[NONYA]

I have met plenty of peple who DO NOT know any different and it is sad,I have also taken a couple people out here in Montana for thier first free-ranging deer hunt and they were bolth annoying and rewarding hunts for me,first of all they became very impatient when we didnt see deer every 5 min and then they wanted to be overly picky about the size of deer I was trying to get them to shoot.I exsplained to one of them that i was not a guide and if she wanted to treat me like one she could go back to Texas!I took a guy out from Boston who had never hunted ANYTHING before and that was one of the most rewarding hunting exsperiences i have ever had,he ended up shooting a small 4x4 MD and he was as happy as I would be with a 400+ bull elk!So with my limited exsperience with people who hunt game ranch's they want to be waited on and they usually have no patience,they also expect to see trophy animals every time they go and have no idea how hard people like us work to find one in an entire season.Even when these people go on a free range hunt they can afford to hire guides and hunt private ranch's where the animals are plenty and well managed,not a whole lot different than a game ranch overall.I watch the hunting programs where they hunt elk on these places in CO and i cant believe how stupid thier elk are compared to ours,they have very little fear of man and they are plentiful.Of course these are filmed on these big private ranch's where they outfit and make thier living of the elk.Im sure the elk in CO on public lands are a bit ore wild.So,most of the people that enjoy these canned hunts in my opinion wouldnt hunt if they were forced to do it the hard way,it would be way to much work and not enough reward for most of them to even be interested in the sport. :roll:

[big medicine]

Nonya,
I agree 100% with you. Folks that actually have to hunt on their own and do not have the luxery of hunting thousands of acres with out 1/2 the county driving through may hunt an entire lifetime for a shot at what they consider a trophy buck. They may only get one chance in many years of hunting, for me that is why I do it. I have to compete with people shooting off the road, trespassing, ect, that is all part of hunting where I live. I'm lucky, I have a friend who farms and I have a place clear back in the middle of a section most people are to lazy to walk back there so I dont have that to deal with anymore. Six years ago I almost got shot by some road hunters who saw a deer and got out and started blasting, after 3 of them unloaded their rifles they finally noticed me in my full orange and got in their truck and hauled out of there. I could have been hit for all they know. Two years ago one of my friends had the same thing happen. Those guys got caught, they got a $50.00 fine BFD. Even with all the stuff we have to sometimes deal with I still would not go pay to shoot some 1/2 tame animal in a fence. My friends and I laugh at the TV hunting shows. I would like to see the show where the pro goes to Halsey National forest in central NEBR during rifle season and shows us all how the real pro gets a trophy buck when he has 1/2 the state hunting the same area. It is one thing to go out and pay some guide to take you out on his private million acre ranch and shoot a deer that has no hunting pressure, it is quite another to have to squeeze in the scouting between your job, and your life responsibilities, deal with people driving through your hunting area and still manage to get a deer. To me the latter is real hunting. But if someone wants to spend their hard earned money to go to some farm and shoot a "trophy" animal, I at least hope that they untie it from the hitching post first. I would rather take the money and go buy another rifle and take my chances on my own.

[Savage .250]

Savage,
I have to agree with you, for me it wouldnt be hunting. It is just shooting an animal, not much different than going our behind the barn and shooting a hog or cow. I'm sorry if it sounded hostile, it was not ment to be that way.

 big medicine................you are a Gentlemen.  

 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in thr experience."

[big medicine]

Savage,
Thank you. One of the down falls to the internet is not being able to see ones facial expressions and hear their tone of voice during conversations and discussions. typed words can have a tone that was not intended. I dont think hunters and shooters will ever agree on every single thing and debate on an issue is not a bad thing. We come from different places and back grounds and all have different experiences and something to offer. It would be an honor to sit around a camp fire and poke sticks in the fire and BS with anyone here.

[NONYA]

Im havin a antelope roast up at our cabin tomorow,you can come up and do some shootin with us before we sit around the fire,Ive got 2 whole hind quarters marinating right now. :lol:

[big medicine]

I'm hungry...and trying not eat before I go to bed...but that really sounds good!! :lol:

[Savage .250]

Im havin a antelope roast up at our cabin tomorow,you can come up and do some shootin with us before we sit around the fire,Ive got 2 whole hind quarters marinating right now. :lol:

 Nonya: can you "front" me some gas money ?  That way i can come out to MON-TAN-NA and try some of that antelope roast you got marinating.
  Maybe i can bring out some gator-tail. Deep fried it`s really good.
  I must say i envy you guys out west...... living in a hunting and fishing paradise. In contrast all we`ve got are gators(lots) and illegals(lots).
  Keep the porch light on i`m on the way.  
 
  " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

[BamBams]

I don't do it, but to me, there is no difference between shooting an Elk in a cage and slaughtering a cow in your south 40.  If you wanna get ethical about it, well.....it's all killing anyway.  Safety aside, banning anything having to do with shooting or hunting is just a way to make us less free in America.

[NONYA]

Savage Im all out of fresh Lope but Ive got some fresh muledeer,grouse,duck and snipe in the fridge,should have a few pheasant after this weekend,Come on up and welll have a roast!Its tough to make a good living up here,but if you enjoy the outdoors,hunting and fishing it doesnt get any better.Here in Helena i am surrounded by the Missouri river and 3 big reseviors,good elk,antelope and deer hunting right off the front porch,waterfoul hunting 3/4 mile down the road.We are spoiled no doubt about it!

[swiftman]

When you drug a trophy deer or what ever and shove it out in front of a hunter so the fence does not show in the video and he shoots it , what part of the definition of hunting does that fall under?  I have killed pigs for slaughter by walking into their pen and shooting them in the head with a .22. To listen to some of the talk here that is hunting to.  It does our sport no good at all to have the turm hunting applied to things that are not no matter how much cash they pay.

[NONYA]

Many hunters including my father are members of Safari Club International,I was looking through his new SCI magazine last week and they have game ranches advertising about certian animals they have on the ranch right now and where they will score and rank in the SCI record book,they had one ranch with an elk with its exact measurements and score,obviously they have drugged the bull and taken its measurements in order to sell it to some "hunter".SCI does alot to promote hunting but you look through thier magazine and 3/4 of the adds in the back are for canned hunts,makes me sick.

[BamBams]

Honestly, I don't see any difference between shooting a deer in 40 acres of woods after sitting in stand for 3 hours, and shooting a deer in a cage. One is just a little harder than the other.  Having said that, I'm for putting meat on the table.  I won't shoot a caged animal because it just isn't as much fun, but really fellas, there isn't much difference.  The point is that we should retain the right to harvest game in America.  A thousand cows die a day in some slaughter house, and nobody bitc**s about that!  Some people are just a little "mixed up" if'n ya asks me.

[swiftman]

The deer in the 40 acre woods may not even be in the 40 acre woods if he so choses,  not so in a 20 ft pen. with 10 ft fences.  If the animal has no chance at all of not been shot is that slaughter or hunting.  Thats why theycall them slaughter houses and not hunting houses, or maybe we should change their name.  If the animal has no possible chance of getting away from a shot I can not call it hunting. I am not against all fenced hunting but, can not  call some of it hunting.  I saw on cable tv several years ago down in mexico where they were putting out corn along the dirt rode and in the evening when the deer came out the supposed hunter picked out the one he wanted and just walk up to it with his bow he was less than 20 yds when they stopped filming, even they have must felt a little guilty.  If you layed down your car keys and know exactlly where they are would you still say I am going to hunt my car keys or just say that you are going to get my keys of the table where I know they are.

[Emmett Dunham]

I may have missed it, I did not read all the posts, just about six and never read anyone define a canned hunt. I think a canned hunt started on the internet with someone selling shooting a rifle into a target by hitting enter on his computer. The rifle could be moved into position and aimed as if it was on your shoulder. Latter someone announced that they were going to provide live animals to be shot at on the net with the same target idea. I never read about the idea that the animal would just be setting there unable to move or confined.  I would think that if you are going to hunt it should be just that and not have someone bring something to you to distroy. I even think some of the things used today to make the hunt easyer are off base, I don't understand. Seeing someone take 4 dogs and run down a bear or cat and tree them to be shot just does not make sence, if they are roag animals distroying private proberty that is different, just seems treeing and shooting is not much sport.



Emmet

[williamlayton]

Opportunity vs guaranteed may make up the definition of canned hunt.
Folks, raising any animal on a ranch for profit should be considered a business. It takes money to raise animals [any kind].
We have for years leased land from ranchers to hunt deer, hogs, squirrel, etc . It is a way for farmers, ranchers to make a living.
Now will you pay to hunt on land that has a history of being overhunted and produces no game? You want to hunt for free? You want a fair chase hunt? Invent the time machine and go back 100 years. But, thinking, I guess that would be defined a canned hunt.
Most or, really, all that I know of that are high fenced, do not guarantee anything. They may guarantee a "good opportunity".
Hunting today is not hunting whether it is on national forest, state forest, public land, or high fenced.
It take money to produce a product that folks will pay for the opportunity to hunt on. Why would I pay the kind of money to produce something if I had to let it run free. Why manage it if I have to share it. Why not open the ranges again and do away with bobwire, then I can eat any beef that enters my property.
This has all been discussed very well down in the hunting TEXAS, by GOD site and it aint been resolved yet. go on down there and see if you can come up with something else you have not thought of yet.
Just my opinion.
Blessings