Author Topic: I think I might have got a rifle barrel on a Shotgun frame? (Read 1114 times)

myarmor · « **on:** August 17, 2005, 08:27:53 AM »

So I just got my 44Mag into day. I bought it used. The barrel is an older one and only says H&R 44 REM MAG. No SB2 anywhere to be found.
The receiver is acid washed like the shotgun frames. I didn't think they make a rifle receiver thats acid washed other than the BC models. However it has a plastic trigger guard like the new rifles and shotguns do. So I don't think the receiver is too old.
The first 2 letters of ser. are N D .....
Did I get a 44Mag barrel on a shotgun reciever?
If so I don't think this would be safe to shoot, would it? Because of the treatment of the rifle receviers are to a harder grade. But the fellow I got it off of has shot it for over 2 years and no problems.
Any ideas?

Mac11700 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2005, 08:30:55 AM »

Arron:

Call NEF as have them check the serial numbers...that way you can be absolutly sure of it...

Mac

myarmor · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2005, 08:36:12 AM »

:x Crap :x I Just got of the phone with Jennifer. It's a 12ga receiver :x

Mac11700 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2005, 08:44:38 AM »

2 choices...take it back...(:noway: )...fit the barrel to a another reciever( :agree: )...and pick up some 12 ga. barrels to help fill you addiction( :-D )...you can always use more right

Mac

myarmor · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2005, 08:52:35 AM »

funny you say that, because my brother was wanting to sell me his Ultra recevier with lamintates. I guess I'll take them. I hope this barrel fits his receiver. It did have a small gap on the shotgun frame.
You don't think it hurt the recevier sence they shot 44Mags through it do you?
I don't think they shot it a whole lot.

Leftoverdj · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2005, 09:04:37 AM »

I would not worry about it. H&R offered the Topper in .44 Mag on the even weaker old frame. NEF used shotgun frames for selected cartridges, including the .44 Mag, during its first few years.

myarmor · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2005, 09:14:56 AM »

Well I just tried the 44Mag barrel on my own Ultra reciever, and it still has a small gap- I haven't used a filler guage on it yet- between the chamber and receiver. So I am almost positive that it will have the same on my brothers. Every barrel we have will interchange with both his and my Ultra recievers. So I guess I'll have to read up more in the FAQs as how to build up the lug so I can get a tighter fit.

Norseman112 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2005, 12:18:36 PM »

Good Luck

Norse

myarmor · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2005, 03:52:03 PM »

Ok I just got back from bargining and ended up with the Ultra receiver and wood. After all that..we went and shot it. I couldn't put it on paper, but non the less we hit most what we were aiming at. Needless to say..both of us are in love with the 44Mag. Still need to make it a tighter fit though. I will post a pic as soon as I find my camera again...

Norseman112 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2005, 04:09:59 PM »

Glad it work out for you. I will be looking forward to your picture of the 44 mag

Norse

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2005, 03:45:52 AM »

Alright here ya go.

The laminates are not the most beautiful I've seen, but still nice. My brothers Ultra receiver you see here has a trigger of gold, light, crisp, and and smooth.

Sounds like a beer comercial Huh?
I took these with the scope off (obviously :grin: ). I have mounts with it, but I am not very happy with them. And the regular Handi rail is too long, I would have to cut it down, or keep looking for a better see through mounts. Any advice here?

poncaguy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2005, 03:54:39 AM »

Not too happy with my 44 mag, mainly because it must have a 15# trigger pull. Didn't shoot well with a Red Dot and jacketed bullets. Did real well with some cast bullets I've had since I sold my Ruger 44Mag 25 years ago. Going to put a Weaver 4X on it. Need to find someone to do a trigger job, or I won't be very happy. All my latest Handi's have had excellent triggers until this one. Guess I might ship it in and have a 270 or 280 barrel fitted and ask for trigger work.

myarmor · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:43:59 AM »

I haven't done a trigger job on any of mine either. Though it looks really simple. I plan on doing one to the shotgun receiver as kind of a practice. That and because the trigger on it feels like a grinding wheel.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2005, 09:41:07 AM »

Quote from: roostertails

I have done hardness tests on dozens of shootgun frames and all of them tested the same as the rifle frames, I have a shootgun frame with a 30.06 barrel and after 100 rounds fired it shows no signs of stretch or failure.

Yes, we all know how well an SB1 shotgun frame works with the high pressure calibers..... :roll: Caution folks, do not attempt this at home!!!

Just ask Mtjerry how well it works!!

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=406756&highlight=#406756

myarmor · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2005, 10:45:21 AM »

Well we at least got that out of the way. I personally didn't want to risk it. Any how, what about mount and scope rail here? Like I said, the normal Handi mount is too long. What other kind of mounts could I use with this?
I would still like to be able to shoot it with open sights, so some decent see throughs would be nice.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:53:23 AM »

You can always cut an H&R rail down to shorten it. The problem with trying to use iron sights with the scope rail mounted is the rail and rings might block the view of the sights cuz it's so high and the sight is mounted on the barrel below the level of the chamber where the rail is mounted. My .357 max has the old style sights on it, there's no way to see the rear sight thru or over the ring base screws and rail. I've never liked see thru rings, they mount the scope way too high and I've never seen any that looked solid. I good low power scope or just iron sights is my preference.

Varminter · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2005, 11:59:54 AM »

Roostertails who are you kidding. :roll: Ask Mtjerry how well it works.

As for a scope.....i would suggest a red dot like the Bushnell Trophy.

myarmor · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2005, 01:29:56 PM »

Yeah, I just tried a few rails and other mounts I had laying around. Scope too high, and rail blocking the open sights....I forgot Varminter used a RedDot on his. I do have one in the cabinet. I might just try it.
However I do like being able to just open sight it. Only problem with using the open sights on it, is that this stock has a raised check piece and you have to hunker down on the stock in order to line up the sights. I believe from factory the 44Mag models normaly come with a straight comb stock. Am I correct?
Tommorow I plan on fixing my little gap problem with a piece of brass shim and some JB Weld. Got to go pick some up tommorow...

Varminter · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2005, 01:35:04 PM »

Forget the Bushnwll Trophy Dot. 6 MOA dot as Quick Pointed out in another post. Go with a Mueller Dot sight

myarmor · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2005, 02:01:39 PM »

I don't know, If I am going to start spending that for a RedDot, I think I would just go with this one:
http://www.theopticzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=3326

But I can't be thinking about scopes just right yet. First things first.
EDIT-sorry wrong scope. This is the one I meant.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2005, 02:09:08 PM »

Boy, if Bushnell considers 3½" of eye relief extra long, what are real EER scopes spec'd at?

http://bushnell.com/products/riflescopes/specs/75-2732m.cfm

Quote

The outstanding fully multi-coated optics provide an impressive 91% light transmission, giving you a scope that's not only tough, but packs the performance you expect from Bushnell.® Featuring a very wide field-of-view and extra long 3.5" eye relief for instant target acquisition you can be confident that your scope won't fail you at that key moment.

myarmor · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2005, 02:13:23 PM »

Well for the light kick of the 44Mag in this rifle I'm sure I would suffice. The 1.5-6x32 Whitetail Expedition would be nice too.
For the money the Whitetail Expeditions are a great value, seems fitting to be mounted on a Handi. Probably the best value $ for $ in firearms.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2005, 02:29:52 PM »

Sierra had the WTE 1.5-6x32 for $80 on Sunday, but they were all gone on Monday!!! The 2.8-10x and 3.8-10x Aetecs have been going for $115 or so on Ebay, got a new 2.8-10x matte for $123 shipped on Monday. 5" of eye relief!!!

myarmor · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:19:38 PM »

I think after I get everything sorted out, I'll probably opt for the WTE in 1-6x32. Seems like a good fit. Eventually.
I was going to make a brass shim, but now after Freds post I just might reconsider and try his new purposed idea.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:31:21 PM »

The brass would have worn out after not too many shots, depending on how much it was shot and how hot the loads are. Good choice in trying Fred's method.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:16:41 PM »

Quote from: roostertails

I have done hardness tests on dozens of shootgun frames and all of them tested the same as the rifle frames

What's funny about this...is that your really expect everyone to believe this?

? You make me laugh...

Quote from: roostertails

I have a shootgun frame with a 30.06 barrel and after 100 rounds fired it shows no signs of stretch or failure.

This I find at best.... difficult to believe... but then again...perhaps your Shootgun frame...isn't a Handi frame...but something entirely different...but...somehow...I think you want folks to believe your talking about our SB-1 Shotgun frames...

Quote from: roostertails

The best way to cure the barrel to breech gap is to remove the hinge pin and machine or have machined a crome moly sleeve with a wall thickness of a few thousands and install it onto the hinge pinas you reinstall the pin back into the gun, then machine the barrel lug to fit the bushing if need be.

No...this really isn't the "best way"...nor is it the easiest way to fix the problem..While a person with a fully equipped shop may have the necessary tools for doing this way.... the majority of folks here..don't...nor do most have access to an arbor press or a center pin press to remove the hinge pin...nor is it even advisable for removals due to the possabilitiesof wear or damage on the frame..and... fitting it your way...would still be a trial and error method do to the change in the lug tolerances from the sleeve..and a permanent hardened steel insert..or steel mixture into the lug area..that .increases the bearing surface of the lug.. would really be the the best and give the largest benefit in return...because....the lug...if you have researched this...is softer than the hinge pin...and this is what's being addressed...

Quote from: roostertails

Another fix is to cobble some epoxy with shims onto the lug or use some steel putty.

You just don't give up on this do you...and you like to keep saying this...so...When ever you do...I'll keep calling you out on it...understand this...the fixes that have been developed and posted here...are for the benefit for all of the forum members and those who just visit.....and... they are a culmination of a-lot of hard work-effort-time-and money by some here...and to degrade what has been presented as "Cobbling"...is an insult to them.. that won't be tolerated...and...to the rest of your statements with regards to the " Known" strenght of the SB-1 shotgun frames and advocating by insinuation that they are being built strong enough.... to tolerate hundreds of shots from the High Pressure cartridges is quite simply... ludricrious...and a totally unsafe practice...and this won't be tolerated either...

If this offends you...I do apologize...but...this is the way of things here....

Mac

myarmor · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:22:45 PM »

Humm...to "cobble"....this phrase sounds very familiar to me....Sounds like a post not to long ago.....Hummm

quickdtoo · « **Reply #27 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:29:47 PM »

Well stated Mac!! Yes, cobbled..... very interesting choice of terms, very telling. I wouldn't be surprised that if GB checked the IP of Roostertails, Eagleeye and Redcloud, they'd all be the same!! :wink:

myarmor · « **Reply #28 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:33:48 PM »

My thoughts exactly :twisted:

Graybeard · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2005, 03:57:32 AM »

Confirmed. All three are using the same blocks of IP addresses.