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Offline tom barthel

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« on: August 19, 2005, 02:54:10 PM »
Has anyone rechambered the 7.62x39 to 7.62x54R or .303 British yet???  If so, what were the results?  Any load data?  I'm considering the 7.62x54R.  I need it like another hole in my head.  I just didn't want to try it until someone else proved it would work.
 
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 03:02:30 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 03:31:25 PM »
I'm still seriously thinking about it.

BTW: H&R is now offering complete rifles in 7.62x39, which might facilitate a rechambering project: http://www.galleryofguns.com/GunLocator/gunsearch/Product.asp?Manuf=&item_num=SB2%2D762&index=19&max=50&start=50&instock=None&manufact_combo=New+England+Firearms&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=Rifle&act_type=None&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&qPromoID=&EZ=&left_handed=&youth=&item_only=0&oldsql=WHERE+%28unk2+like+%27%251%27+or+unk2+like+%27%252%27%29++AND+manuf+like+%27%25New+England+Firearms%25%27++AND++Inventory%2Egun%5Ftype+like+%27%25Rifle%25%27+ORDER+BY+manuf%2C+unk2%2C+unk3

I've reached two sticking points in my idea to rechamber a 7.62x39 to a 54R (or possibly a .303 Brit).  First, is gunsmith turn-around-time.

Second, if I were to buy/rent a reamer to do the rechamber job myself, I'm unsure how to make the recess in the breach face needed when converting from a rimless to a rimmed cartridge.  Can anyone help me out on this point?
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 06:12:40 AM »
Why not just buy a 'ready-made' .308 Winchester?
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 06:40:41 AM »
Same reason I've rechambered several 30-30s to 30-40, to have the caliber you want. (Personally, I've had two Handis in 308, both had ejection issues that were never totally resolved.)
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2005, 10:25:31 AM »
That's a dandy idea  IF  you are going to shoot only reloads.You will not have good results trying to shoot milsurp ammunition due to deep set and "hard" primers.
The 7.62X39 barrel in a .310 bore would be an ideal rechambering for the .303British.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2005, 03:47:52 PM »
mt3030: Were any of those 30-30s that you rechambered to 30-40s Handi Rifles?  If so, how did the rechambered rifle work out?  Did you do the rechambering yourself?  What was involved other than turning a reamer in the chamber?
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2005, 12:27:17 PM »
Mainer:
Have rechambered three 30-30s ot 30-40. One Savage 219, one H&R Topper, and a SB2. All have worked very well. Perfer the H&Rs because of the exposed hammers.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2005, 07:07:20 AM »
Wally:  (1) Is there any more difficulty involved in reaming out a 30-30 to a 30-40 than there is in reaming a .357 Mag to a .357 Max or a .44 Mag to a .445 SM? (2) Do you have a 30-40 reamer you are willing to part with? :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2005, 01:49:47 PM »
Mainer:
Have never done the work myself. All were all done by qualified gunsmiths.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2005, 04:31:12 PM »
I have a 303 brit (not in handi) was my grandfather's rifle ( he gave it to my brother who passed away 12 yrs ago and I inherited all his rifles) . It was my brother's first rifle for taking deer here in WI.  My grandfather also got a lot of deer with that rifle. I remember my grand father would have a sparkle in his eye when my brother would bring deer home when we were kids and until he passed away. I would ask my brother "hey when you going to buy a new rifle?" He would smile and  say " I don't need one and I like to see the smile I put on grandfathers face when I bring the deer home with this brit"  Sorry guys I didn't mean get off track with family stories..........

In later years I started asking questions to my grandfather about the brit and he would tell me how much he liked it and some of the shots he made on deer as a young man. Then I find out quite a few of my friends fathers had brits and there was a day you could buy them cheap at hardware stores and alot of folks did. The rifle I have is in excellent condition and one of my sons took his first deer 3 years ago with it (brought a sparkle to my eye).   Anyway I don't know anyone who hunts with this caliber anymore and was wondering if anyone here dose? and what they like about it. Sorry for being long winded.

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2005, 05:19:16 PM »
Norseman.

That Rusky could easy be rechambered to 303 Brit. Easy to get ammo and brass for. A good deer and Moose rifle. I did a lot of shooting with the 303 but now free ammo is dried up through the Civilian Marksmen Units of reserve army. So I quit shooting with these rifles.

The issued rifles were all tuned and had selected barrels. Easy to shoot possible scores at 1000 yrds with these rifles by experienced shooters.The 303 Ross rifle is another Canadian rifle that shot extremely well. And they are not abusive on the shoulder even with that steel butt plate

 http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/303Page.htm

Please also read my 303 page.

http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ZERMEL/303brit.html
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2005, 09:22:25 AM »
Thank you Fred  :D

The information was very helpful and enjoyable to read. I have a jungle No 5  carbine. I think I will take her out and shoot her this weekend.
Thanks again.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2005, 01:38:31 PM »
Norse.

The rifle in the picture I made up from a MK #5 Jungle carbine. The #5 are very fine rifles. Mine was brand new and unfired, with a select barrel.

The triggers are hung from the action and keep their fine tuning, some #3 or #4 have the trigger pinned in the trigger guard. Guard screw pressure will change the trigger pull.

Did you know that the Lee Enfield is the fastest bolt action of any.
Some british army unit were trained to fire this rifle at incredible rates.
One record was 34 aimed shots per minute at a 200 yards all shots through a man sized target. Most of the trained soldiers could muster 18 to 20 aimed shots per minute.

The bolt handle, cocking action, and the trigger location was actually designed for rapid fire. This rapid fire system was used in WWI to blanket fire at long range by a large number of soldiers.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2005, 04:42:38 PM »
Norse.  

My father purchased a #3  back in the early 60's from a sporting goods store that was in a mall, of all places.  Even more unique was that this particlular mall was one of the first of its kind in this area.  So it was as much an attraction as a shopping location. It was called Harundale Mall and was about 10 miles south of Baltimore.  It has been torn down and converted into a shopping plaza in the past five years or so.  Anyway ...

He removed the top wood, cut down the stock and had a local gunsmith install Williams sights.  That is the only deer gun he has ever owned.  He doesn't hunt as often anymore, but when he does, he uses that same Brit.
he taught me to reload on .303 ammo.  I now have those dies and have used them ever since.  

Around 1980 he gave me a barreled action from a #4 that was missing some parts.  He obtained the action sometime in the 1960's, but doesn't remember from where.  It had the stripper bridge and rear sight mount milled off and whoever did it did a very nice job.  At the time I worked part-time at a local gun shop and started buying parts to build it into a nice sporter.  I was fortunate to pick up a Fagen semi-inletted Walnut stock and Weaver one piece scope base and tip-off rings.  After obtaining the parts, I lost interest and put everything away.

About four years ago I "re-located" the action and parts and completed the project over a winter.  The stock came out very nice.  I had the barrel crowned, but otherwise left it its original length.  I had to fabricate a side mounted bracket that would accomodate the Weaver mount and had a gunsmith drill and tap them.  I have a cheapo Wal Mart Tasco 3X9X40 mounted.  For sentimental reason I don't shoot it often, but its holding 1-2" three shot groups at 100 yds with PMP 174 gr soft points.

I have silently considered having a Handi re-chambered to .303.  There really is not reason, given that the .308 and .30-06 are offered, but it would be neat.

Since completeing the Brit, I located a sporterized #4 that still had the battle sights.  I was able to restore that one and I located one that was complete in battle dress, but had a split butt stock with the end of the barrel bent.  I picked it up for a song and had the barrel shorted to 22 inches and restocked it with a spare buttstock and a sporterized forend.  I mounted another Weaver base and put another cheapo Tasco on it.  I had it out today, coincidently, and it is still shooting a 3" 3 shot group at 200 yds. Again, with PMP ammo.

I do hunt with mine and think they are among the best bolt actions I have ever shot/owned.  They are simple to work on.  Parts are available everywhere and ammo is still made by Rem and Win, among the off-brands.  It is easy to reload for and, in may experiance, will shoot well with just about any IMR powder/bullet combination.

Long live the British Enfield!

Whew!  Talk about long winded.  Sorry.

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