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Offline D.E.C

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« on: August 24, 2005, 01:41:40 PM »
I  am not very familiar with the T/C Seneca or Cherokee rifles. I have seen pictures and am interested in getting one but am not sure what the differences are. I want a .45 perc. single trigger, but would settle for a .36.
I have tried to find one or the other online without luck. Plan on hitting pawn shops this weekend.
Were both offered in .45 and .36? When were they made?
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Re: CHEROKEE OR SENECA
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 01:55:46 PM »
Quote from: D.E.C
I  am not very familiar with the T/C Seneca or Cherokee rifles. I have seen pictures and am interested in getting one but am not sure what the differences are. I want a .45 perc. single trigger, but would settle for a .36.
I have tried to find one or the other online without luck. Plan on hitting pawn shops this weekend.
Were both offered in .45 and .36? When were they made?


They are the same rifle, except that the Cherokee is the no frills version, very minimal furniture...the Seneca is the classy version with brass furniture and patchbox.

They are small and light, with the .45cal less favorable due to recoil from the small rifle's light weight.

They're somewhat of a collector's item...clean ones go in the neighborhood of $500 +...they've long since been discontinued, and TC has no more parts for them at all since their big plant fire 15 years ago.

The TC Hawken is their larger size big brother which became very popular and continues right on in production today...so just know what you're buying into...
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 08:50:31 PM »
disecting your question, you say you prefer the .45.. if its deer on your menu at one time or another,  i would not pick the .36.. my opinion only..  ive heard expert shots argue the worth of a .40 on neck shots on deer, but they are expert.  as balls get smaller diameter, thier mass decreases exponentially..   .50cal 172 gr, 45 cal 124 gr,  36 cal 65 grn, 32 cal  43 grains...aprox.. notice the difference between the .45 and the.36 is about half the bullet weight...   the poster is correct about the recoil being more in a bigger bullet in a small gun,...in my opinion tho  i have not felt that any black powder firearm is unusually unpleasant until you get into heavy 10 guage loads, but that is me.....  if youve ever shot a 30-06 and didnt mind the recoil, then    the bp  .45-.50 cals will be a pussycat..  but its  very true the .45 will recoil more than the .36, . the .36 will make the perfect small game gun with flat trajectory at less than 100 yards.. its not unusual for shooters to use velocities of over 2000 feet per second in the .45 and .50 cal.  i have a .50 cal traditions, very light gun, with small flintlock and 24 inch barrel .. with 70 grains 2fg it shoots great, and recoil to me is minimal.. i would like 80-90 grains better but soot was building up too fast..   good luck dave...
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 01:41:54 AM »
Bein' a southpaw, I tried a Hopkins and Allen "Buggy Rifle" in .36. I only use it for varmints, as I don't hunt small game. I think it is a better solution to blackpowder substitutes than any sidelock could ever be. The ignition is traditional in appearance, and inlinelike in performance. Now when I decide on which bigger bore I want, I'll just get another barrel, and use the same frame.   :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 10:59:25 AM »
I currently have a Seneca in .45 and it is an excellent rifle.  Very much like the Hawken with all the fancy brass but smaller.  I use to have a .45 Cherokee, which was slightly smaller even, at least the barrel, much like a smaller renegade if you will.  It did seem to kick more but was easier to handle.  I have only shot the Seneca a dozen times or so and is in excellent condition still in the original box and liked the looks and feel better and sold the Cherokee.  I have not shot the Seneca in years and was going to save for my son when he get a little older.  I believe the Seneca were only offered with double set triggers and the Cherokee was a single trigger, but could be wrong.  Seneca were offered in .45 and .36, while the Cherokees were .45 and .32.  I would choose the Seneca if you could find one in good shape, they will hold their value.

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2005, 01:41:20 PM »
Khakirubi, you said that you were going to save the Seneca for your son? If this has changed I might be interested. If not then enjoy sharing this rifle with your son, also one of my goals when I find the right rifle.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2005, 01:43:23 PM »
Khakirubi, you said that you were going to save the Seneca for your son? If this has changed I might be interested. If not then enjoy sharing this rifle with your son, also one of my goals when I find the right rifle.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2005, 02:12:15 PM »
D.E.C. ain't nobody sellin here;; nor buying::: that's for the trade part of GB's

khakirubi just shared photos with us,,,if you look at his photos' and read 'roundball's" thread,,maybe you will know the differance tween "cherokee" and "seneca",,buy all means "good luck" shopping!
 I ain't gonna swap words,,,,,,hittin a guy up like that is plain rude.don't matter how many tymes  ya post
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2005, 02:24:19 PM »
I have a Cherokee with .32 barrel and .45 barrel.  The .32 barrel is unfired and the .45 barrel looks fairly rough inside, not sure I will fire it unless I can have it checked out for safety reasons.

Anyway, what loads seem to do good in the .32 with PRB?  According to the TC book their load data chart starts at 30grs with a max of 50grs.

I have read about people using 10grs to 25grs in the .32cal with PRB, just wonder why the TC book list such high loads for the Cherokee while other rifles list loads well below the TC loads.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2005, 04:36:48 PM »
The primary contribution to any bullets stibility is the speed of revolutions. There are two attributes, rifling twist and velocity. If you have a fast twist rate, you can achieve accuracy with a lower velocity. My .36 has a 1 in 40 twist so I can shoot prbs accurately more accurately at low velocities than a berrel with a 40" rate. The smaller the bore the more rpms you need.  :wink:
I'm not familiar with either rifle, but it is probably slower, thus needing more speed.  :-)
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Offline khakirubi

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2005, 10:02:02 PM »
Sorry, no not selling.  I posted pics for viewing.  I bought the Seneca when my wife wife pregnant or just after he was born from a going out of business sale from a shop about 12 years ago.  Cost new for me then was around $275.  They were had to find and took it while I could.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2005, 07:49:09 AM »
khakirubi, the Cherokee's were offered in both single and double triggers but not sure of the timing of it. I have a double trigger one, my brother had the single trigger and sold it to get a double trigger Cherokee.
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