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Offline hdj2520

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« on: August 25, 2005, 08:29:34 AM »
I have a mould i bought from you several years ago for my 1895 marlin 45/70.
 It's a great bullet that works equally well in my 75 C. Sharps.
 My question is on this 2 cavity mould one is cut undersize for use with a
paper type patch. If a remember correctly you told me you had used computer labels for patching but this has been several years ago and i may be wrong.
 Could you tell me your method again. I hope finally to do some experimenting.
 P.S.  in 20 years of using a 45-70 this 400 grain  L.F.N.  is one impressive killer of deer and hogs and would probably stop a charging Buick in a pinch.
                                                 best regards.

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2005, 07:08:51 PM »
That bullet will make elk, moose and large bear into sausage about as quick as it takes hogs and deer down.

Yes, I told you to use computor labels, and I call the bullets 'glue on patch', because when the concept was in the birthing stages I glued paper on with diluted Elmers glue.  It worked great but was a mess.  Computer labels are neat, clean and so easy that I can even do it !

Cut your label stock into strips wide enough so the forward edge of the paper will drop into the wide forward groove and overhangs the base a little.  Length of the strips should be just enough to go around twice, with no overlap, but up to 1/8 inch of overlap won't hurt accuracy on your big bullets.   Dry the patched bullets in a sunny window for a couple days or in an oven at about 160 degrees for  8 hours or so.  This drying takes the gummyness out of the glue so bullets can be sized.  I have sized them .010 without damage. (Regular paper patch cannot stand sizing at all after patching.)

If using a Lyman, RCBS or Saeco sizer, trim the patch close to the base with a sharp knife, then size and lube like a plain base bullet.  The stop plug, down in the sizer die, should be cupped out a little with about 1/32 in of flat around the perimeter, which should be printed into the base to insure perfect squareness.  (The base plug must be machined in a lathe to insure squareness, not hand worked.)  If using a Star sizer, don't bother trimming the paper which overhangs the base.  I now make these bullets with bevel base if the customer will be using a Star sizer.

I have driven this style bullet in a 30-06 using a 110 gr jacketed bullet charge behind a 170 gr GOP bullet.  Speed was the same as 110 grain jacketed but pressures lower.  Accuracy was good enough for gophers out to 250 yards at least, and the bore stays bright and shiny clean, even when heated till it smokes with rapid firing!  This with alloys as soft as freshly cast air cooled wheel weight metal!  And I've driven pure lead at speeds over 2800 fps with no fouling.  Such a load would blow the rifle up on the first shot with gas checked bullets!  When I say the bore is shiny bright, I mean it looks polished to mirror finish, seemingly improving the more shots fired!

GOP bullets open up a whole new world of game performace for cast bullet shooters, allowing soft or relitively soft and most important, ductile alloys to be driven at otherwise impossible speed with precision accuracy and an always shiny clean barrel.  The load mentioned above would explode on contact with any animal, so is only good for varminting, but slow them down to sanity speed, where the lead will withstand the impact, and big game is in big trouble.  -- GOP bullets are a little slow to make, and case mouths must be flared or champhered smoothly to keep from ripping the paper when seating bullets, but they are the most trouble free and easiest to work up accurate loads with of any bullet I've ever shot through a rifle, jacketed or cast.  In any caliber I've tried.  One better have tiny and nimble fingers to make calibers smaller than 6MM though!
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2005, 09:01:39 AM »
thanks,by the way, is there anything special as far as crimping for repeaters?

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2005, 08:01:01 PM »
I reccomend use of  Lee Factory Crimp dies for crimping rifle ammo.  Bullet diameter isn't critical  with the rifle dies, as it is with pistol ammo as stated below.

  But don't use their factory crimp dies for handgun ammo if using bullets over standard diameter.   They will ruin your bullets.
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