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Offline Woody's Janitor

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« on: August 28, 2005, 03:56:11 AM »
Are there any fans of this gun out there?

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2005, 05:16:39 AM »
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Are there any fans of this gun out there?


 The only "classic" as far as the .250 goes is if it`s in combo with a Savage99 (pre-mil) Now, that`s a CLASSIC! IMHO.

   
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2005, 06:10:44 AM »
PO Ackley proved it was the most efficient cartridge, and he even improved on it.
Since then however, the PPCs have taken over in both efficiency and accuracy.
But the 250 is a great little dual purpose cartridge that has a wide and faithful following, as does it's parent, the 300 Savage.
The 300 Savage was THE DEER CARTRIDGE, until the 308 was commercialized 50 years ago.
So if you are thinking of buying a 250 Savage, then I would say buy it.
If you already have a 250 Savage, then I would say keep it, because they only show up now and then as a commemorative.
T/C wouldn't (couldn't) chamber barrels for the 250 and 300 Savages for years, but now they do.
And in addition to all that, the 250 Savage was the parent for the most popular 22 varmint cartridge ever devised.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2005, 09:15:46 AM »
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PO Ackley proved it was the most efficient cartridge....
 When and where did he do that?  Not in his Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders....
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But the 250 is a great little dual purpose cartridge that has a wide and faithful following, as does it's parent, the 300 Savage.
My .250s certainly are great firearms and I love them (figuratively of course), but the .250 was developed in ca. 1915 and the .300 was introduced in ca. 1921.  The .300 is the more modern design, as a cursory inspection shows.
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So if you are thinking of buying a 250 Savage, then I would say buy it.
Can't argue with that, good advice IMO!
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T/C wouldn't (couldn't) chamber barrels for the 250 and 300 Savages for years, but now they do.
Not in the Contender they don't.   But other barrel makers have and do - I've had a 15-inch .300 Savage Contender barrel for years and it is the best deer handgun chambering I've owned - and I've owned a bunch.
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And in addition to all that, the 250 Savage was the parent for the most popular 22 varmint cartridge ever devised.
I think today that the .223 is the most popular by far, but the .22-250 is still a great one - my current Ruger No. 1 SS Laminate so chambered is great fun and highly accurate.

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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2005, 11:53:58 AM »
Thanks for the info !

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 02:01:54 PM »
Are you trying to trash me Lone Star? Why?
You didn't get me on anything.

When any new cartridge is developed it spurs developement of several other calibers based on the same case in different configurations. Such is true more recently with the RUM cases, and it was also true when the 30-06 was developed. The fact that the 300 Savage was first introduced in 1920 in the Savage 1899 does not mean that it did not exist prior to that in 1914 when the 250 Savage was introduced in the same rifle model. The only reason Savage chambered the 250 first (even though the 300 was being considered), was that the 250 beat the magic velocity mark of 3000 fps, which apparently did wonders for the sales of Savages workhorse.

As previously stated, the 22-250 has been around for many years (1930s or before), even before Remington decided to call it their own and chambered it in a PRODUCTION rifle for the first time in 1965.

Regardless, we are speaking of the days when the 250 Savage was still in regular use.
In the Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders by P.O. Ackley
Page 280-281, Ackley states this about the 22-250.
"Also known as the 22 VARMINTER (registered trademark), and the 220 Wotkyns Original Swift (.220 WOS). The 22-250 is one of the most flexible and accurate varmint cartridges ever designed and has won as many or more benchrest matches than any other cartridge."

There is much more on this, but more than I'm willing to type. Get the book.

In fact, the 22-250 was proving its manners over even the very capable 220 Swift, and was being threatened heavily by the 222 Remington. It still beat them out thanks to the 223. The only reason the 223 exists today is because it worked with the new Stoner designed military rifle. In fact, if not for that, the 222 would probably have eventually surpassed the 22-250 in popularity. Simply enough, since military cartridges become so readily available for handloaders, the abundance of cheap brass is credited with the reason for the 222s eventually dieing out.

What is amusing is Ackley's comments on the 223.

In regard to the efficiency of the 250.
In the Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders by P.O. Ackley
Pages 333-334, 250 Savage
"This is one of the best of the so-called Improved Cartridges. It shows a greater percentage of increase in velocity than almost any other......Being of almost ideal capacity for the .25 bore it is very efficient and flexible and deserving of much greater popularity than it has heretofore enjoyed."

In regard to T/C
I believe I distinctly said T/C wouldn't chamber the Savages. Don't forget they also had the TCR which was never equipped with a factory barrel in any Savage cartridge. It was however, chambered for the 22-250 Remington. The original Contender frame could not handle the Savages or the 22.250.

I suggest you and the Janitor do more reading.

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2005, 04:30:29 PM »
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Are you trying to trash me Lone Star? Why?  You didn't get me on anything.
All I was trying to do was set the record straight so that other readers wouldn't get the wrong ideas from your comments.  You are right, it is tough to "get" a moving target - see below.  

If you look up the history of the .250 and the .300 you'll find that the .250 was developed independently for Savage by Charles Newton, as was the .22 Savage Highpower.  The .300 Savage was developed later by the Savage Arms Company themselves (Handloader Magazine, issue 168, page 10, and NRA Handloader’s Guide, page 206).  A look at both cartridges indicates which is the more modern in shape.  Besides,  both were developed from the .30-06 case, not from each other.  Nice try.  Sheesh.   :roll:

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Regardless, we are speaking of the days when the 250 Savage was still in regular use.
Really?  But this is what you posted:  “ But the 250 is a great little dual purpose cartridge that has a wide and faithful following, as does it's parent, the 300 Savage.”  Seems like you were talking about the here and now.  I hate it when you change the subject like that…. ;)

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In regard to the efficiency of the 250...."This is one of the best of the so-called Improved Cartridges. It shows a greater percentage of increase in velocity than almost any other......."
Here Ackley is clearly speaking of the .250 Improved cartridge, yet you claimed of the .250: "Ackley proved it was the most efficient cartridge, and he even improved on it."Clearly Ackley was speaking of his improved version, but you changed his words to imply he believed that the standard .250 was the most efficient cartridge.  Nowhere in either volume could I find any statement about the .250 Savage being "the most efficient cartridge."  erhaps you should re-read Ackley again... and while you're at it, re-read what you yourself posted above, you seem to have trouble remembering what you wrote....    :wink:

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In the Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders by P.O. Ackley - The 22-250 is one of the most flexible and accurate varmint cartridges ever designed and has won as many or more benchrest matches than any other cartridge."
I have both books, thanks.  What does this have to do with what you stated in your last post: : "And in addition to all that, the 250 Savage was the parent for the most popular 22 varmint cartridge ever devised." Now you want to say that you meant the most popular cartridge of Ackley's time?  I give up.   :roll:

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I believe I distinctly said T/C wouldn't chamber the Savages....The original Contender frame could not handle the Savages or the 22.250.
And neither does the current Contender.  I wasn't arguing with you, I was just clarifying and adding to what you said.  You are ‘way too defensive and need to stop drinking all that coffee!  Chill out, you and the Janitor can play a nice game of gin and take a nice long nap.  Then call me in the morning, we can talk.   :D

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2005, 05:59:45 PM »
Fortunately I learned how to read and comprehend what I was reading at the same time.
Setting the record straight is identifying that you would twist words to suit your own purpose, and change a few here and there, and give the wrong idea.
You are determined to find fault, and any useless nit-picker can do that.
Too bad. It won't work out for you. Not this time anyway.

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2005, 01:28:12 AM »
*Ahem* Chill you two, or we're gonna have problems :evil:
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2005, 06:39:42 AM »
Me too!
It's another one that managed to slip by while my attention was elsewhere.
I would have probably had a gunsmith improve it, and then sold off everything over 22 caliber.
Didn't work out that way, though.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2005, 08:34:59 AM »
The .250 Savage is a great little cartridge.  I purchased an older (brass carrier) Savage 99 in .250 for my sons to deer hunt with.  Great cartridge for kids, accurate and low recoil.  The boys have graduated on to bigger and better cartridges now that they are grown, but the "old man" still keeps the .250 handy just because he likes the caliber.  If Remington is listening, YES I would buy a 700 CDL in .250 Savage.  In a bolt gun it should hand load very well.  For those of you who say the .250 is a little lite for deer, my sons never used it that it was not a "one shot kill".

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2005, 03:52:29 PM »
My older daughter shoots a Ruger .250 in a RSI model, it is the sweetest little gun I have.  I bought it new and gave to her when she was 12, I only regret is I didn't by 3 of them.  I don't care who would make the gun, just wish someone would.  I do not know of anyone making 1 now currently, just another example of how bean counters run this world today, no common sense just the bottom line.

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2005, 12:43:45 PM »
I think originally the cartridge was known as the .250/3000.  Back in the day when the cartridge was designed 3000fps was considered pretty hot velocity.  This was with a 87gr. bullet, and the maker wanted to advertise the fact that the round was achieving this velocity, thus .250/3000 but ultiately it simply became known as the .250Savage.  The cartridge was near dead in poplarity when the .243 came along later and all but finished it off.  It's still considered an effective if mild loading, and a lot of people still like it.  Best wishes.

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2005, 05:50:53 PM »
If you really want a classic, find an early Savage Model 20, it was and still is a truly lightweight rifle. When they chambered it for the .300 they had to beef it up in weight for the shooters. A classmate of mine in High School had one, his Dad bought a commercial Mauser with the same chambering and handed it down. In the middle 50s, we considered it whitetail medicine par excellance, and reloaded nowdays, it is even better.
Bold talk from a one eyed fat man.