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Offline Arick the Red

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« on: September 01, 2005, 08:15:26 AM »
Sure we all know that it's cheaper to handload, but for those who have just gotten in on hunting/handloading it may be a tough decision on whether or not it's practical for them.  My question is, based on rough estimates, how much do you save by handloading all of your own shells and/or cartridges??
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2005, 09:11:47 AM »
The savings are surprisingly large. In my case, a few thousand bucks worth of equipment and materials, spread out over ten years, has probably saved me:
$150,000 in what I would otherwise have spent on mistresses and paramours, and
$80,000 in what I would otherwise have spent on a Mercedes Benz roadster.

It all depends on how you look at it.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2005, 09:59:23 AM »
I probably haven't saved a dime, I've just shot more often.  Besides, I like the choices that loading my own gives me.  I load blackpowder cartridges for handguns, rifles, and shotguns.  The lack of a wide choice of factory ammo for my 260 Remington rifles doesn't make any difference to me.  By handloading, I can come up with rounds for my 44 mags that my 6 year old daughter can enjoy shooting.  The list of "specialty" loads that reloaders can make is long enough to justify reloading, even if we really end up spending more money on gadgets than we ever would have spent on factory ammo.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2005, 10:05:12 AM »
It's been said a thousand times, and it's true: "You don't actually save money. You just get to shoot more." In my case I was able to get into competitive shooting of various types. I used to fire 8 or 9,000 rounds of .38 Special per year practicing for and competing in matches. This is not a really high round count but I couldn't have paid for it if I had been buying factory ammo. Now, it's metallic silhouette. 200 rounds of highpower rifle ammo (for a two day match) with quality bullets isn't cheap but at a buck a shot for factory rounds I just couldn't cut it.

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2005, 10:19:49 AM »
I'd be a very rich man today if I didn't reload!

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2005, 12:20:59 PM »
:D Questor, I like your response and agree totally.  The hours I have spent at the reloading table most likely kept me out of a lot of trouble. Until reloading came along I had a weakness for long necks, Texas honky tonkys and blue eyed blonds.  It's sure a lot cheaper to reload. :wink:

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2005, 12:25:14 PM »
40+ years ago I determined that I could load 100 range pick up 30-06 cases for what it cost to buy one box of store bought ammo.  NOT factoring in the start up cost of the reloading equipment since that would be depreciated over many, many years.  I told my wife about the fabulous savings I was making and closed the books on the accounting phase of my reloading and started saving money.
I now own a couple of safes full of rifles and a free standing building that is full of reloading "stuff" that I have bought with my "savings".   :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2005, 01:06:19 PM »
You save nothing. Just shoot more on the same amount of money.


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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2005, 01:52:34 PM »
And shooting more is what it is all about.  If you reload and only shoot a few boxes of shells a year you save nothing because of the cost of all the equipment.  And since reloading is so much fun you want to do lots of it which means that you need to shoot off all of the cartridges or eventually you would have no more room to store them all.  I make it a point to never have more than 100 of any specific load for any one rifle.  Of course once you shoot them you need to clean em up and then load em up again cuz there is no sense leaving empties laying around.  The cycle goes on and on.

Have you noticed that once you "conquer" a particular rifle with all the loads etc  that you want for it that you must then get another rifle to work with etc...etc...etc...

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2005, 03:57:24 AM »
There's more to it than just shooting more.

(Getting back to my earlier response, if you're going to have a midlife crisis, then you could do a lot worse than reloading and shooting.  That's the point of the other post.)

Reloading makes shooting interesting enough to want to do more shooting.  Do you see the difference? If I were limited to factory ammo, I wouldn't be shooting bullseye today because the ammo, while commercially available, is very expensive. By reloading I can make the light 45 caliber target loads that bullseye shooting requires.  If I weren't shooting bullseye, it would be some other thing, like Silhouette, that requires or at least benefits greatly from handloading.

Reloading makes shooting as a hobby viable.
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2005, 04:19:00 AM »
I still like blue eyed blondes with long necks.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2005, 01:57:37 AM »
1 /  reloading is fun, a hobby with in the hobby. 2 / accuracy!!  3 / you can ( in my case ) be shooting top shelf ammo for the price of bargain bin ammo.  :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2005, 05:49:06 PM »
Practical handloading.
I think lowering the costs of shooting by handloading the ammo warrants the initial cost of the tools, since the savings increases the more you shoot. The costs attributed to handloading are less than running the same amount of factory ammo.
 
I use several 22 calibers and can buy the components and mix and match them. For that I don't need to buy several different boxes of factory ammo. Instead I can formulate the loads as needed, most of which cannot be purchased anyway.

Savings may be of lesser concern depending on what calibers you shoot.
Loaded ammo for Improved cartridges is scarce to nil, so if the shooter wants to get the best performance from the Improved cartridge, then the cases can be handloaded after fireforming standard ammo, with the minimal increase in cost being attributed to the slight increase in powder being used, instead of buying expensive pre-formed cases.

Same with Wildcats.
Sometimes Wildcat cases can be purchased pre-formed, but the cost of dies that form the Wildcat from it's parent case (not always applicable) is soon recouped over the price of specialty cases the more you can reload and shoot them.

If you have one gun and don't shoot alot, then using factory loads may be the least expensive way over the initial costs today. The vittles it brings in may recoup the costs associated with buying the gun, scope, ammo, license, and the expenses of a hunt.

Handloading is best for those who do a lot of shooting, many of whom can also recoup most or all of the associated costs, making it all very practical.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2005, 01:42:11 AM »
Like others have said, I just get to shoot more. But if I had to buy factory rounds I would not even shoot as much as I do. Now I do save on the 500 Mag. Cor-bon wants $35.00 for 12 rounds of 500 Mag. Now that the 460 Mag is out Cor-bon wants $54.00 for 20 rounds. I can reload and shoot 100 rounds for less.

We tell our wifes reloading saves us money in reality we know we will just get to shoot more. :D  :-D
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2005, 02:24:13 AM »
Everyone,

On the lower left side of this web site about Illinois deer hunting, I found this reloading cost calculator that you can download to your computer and keep around to determine how much each reload costs per round.  The site is http://www.bghi.us/

It looks like it reasonably calculates the cost of powder, primer, brass, bullet against quantity and then again against the cost of a box of factory loads that you insert the known price.

See what you think, it might help you do the math on cost per round.  

My findings on my limited reloading of mostly 44 magnum is it is saving me about 40 percent on loads but that I shoot 75 percent more that I would have if I were not reloading.

Is that a net loss?  I think NOT!

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2005, 08:22:11 AM »
I figure roughly a 1/3 to 1/4 cost of reloads compared to store bought ammo.  Can get even cheaper if I do my own casting.  For expamle, in 45 Colt, I can load for less than $2.00 a box of 50, compared to $20 + for store bought.  In 45-70, with my own cast bullets, I can load for around $5.60  a box of 20 compared to $20/20 factory stuff.  This is a big savings since factory loads are limited in power and I have the flexibility to load to approach the pressure potential of the rifle I use.  If I'm buying cast bullets in bulk, I can do a box of 45 ACP for around $5.00/50 or home cast for less than $2.00.  For 30-06's, using bulk powder and "pulled" bullets costs me around $7.33/50 or premium hunting loads for around $13.50/50.  If loading Weatherby or exotic cartridges, a bigger savings is possible over factory loads.

The other part of the equation is you have the flexibility to custom load.  Got a little buddy that enjoys his Trapper in 44 Mag because of the reduced loads he feeds it.  Recoil is not much more than a 22

All this assumes brass on hand as well as press, dies and ancillary equipment.  But as stated previously, I ain't saved a penny.  I guilty of saving brass for calibers I don't have, then when I get enough to justify it, buying a pistol or rifle to fit.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 05:18:24 PM »
It all depends on how you purchase components and your shooting habits.  For the shooter who is looking to load quality ammo for hunting, will likely not save a dime nor will he/she likely load ammo that is much better than factory ammo.

It can really cost to get started...I's say around the 1000 dollar mark to get up and running with decent stuff and lets face it, you will want decent stuff that will last.

As for me, my equipment is over 25 years old and it has paid for itself time and time again.  I just like to reload and that is the big part of the whole game.  I like it all: the sizing, trimming, working up loads, putting together ammo that doesn't exist in factory ammo and on and on.  I'd say that it is highly cost effective for me.  I sure the hell don't shoot near as much as I once did but still I like to load my own ammo and go shoot it.  You probably will too.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 05:37:05 PM »
I guess I saved half my net worth, if I wasn't home reloadin' I'd be out carousin', and my wife wouldn't have put up with that! She complained enough about the shootin', until she took up crafts.  :-D
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