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« on: September 03, 2005, 02:22:52 PM »
Here's a video put together by one of the members on a Canadian Gun Forum. Well worth the wait for download.....it's almost 5 minutes long. :wink:

http://members.shaw.ca/Mag58/Hurrican%20Katrina.wmv
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2005, 02:39:18 PM »
good video!!!!  worth the wait
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2005, 02:54:06 PM »
How in the H*** can this country be ready for a BIO or NUKE attack when WE can't be prepaired for something we saw comming for 3 days .

God help US ALL :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2005, 03:40:12 PM »
I've been asking the same question myself.
That is a good video gonna send it to some friends to see.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 04:27:53 PM »
Not 3 days...........more like 2 years. FEMA did a test run exercise for just this senario last year, and National Geographic did a "Right on the Money" article before that:

http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2005, 04:51:10 PM »
Good video, I will forward it also.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2005, 10:24:56 PM »
Are people really surprised that the government is having trouble coordinating a relief effort for a large and complex problem, and in a hurry no less. Look at all the programs they have been running for years, and how screwed up they are. You don't suppose there will be any finger pointing after this is over do you ?

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2005, 10:49:28 PM »
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I was venting and it wasn't the most politically correct post I've ever made, that's for sure.

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2005, 09:18:46 AM »
Can't really bash FEMA or the Red Cross too badly, I heard on Fox news this morning that there are 90,000 square miles of devastation.  Can't be everywhere at once on short notice.

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2005, 03:47:01 PM »
We had a house wash away on my road during hurricane Floyd.  No Federal help for several days.   Many roads were only passable to the next creek.

That was a much smaller though locally devastating event.  Several folks were killed here.

A disaster of immense proportion like Katrina just overwhelms any support in quantity.   Residents of at risk areas (well any area) should be prepared with necessities and an escape plan (fund).

The government would be about the last place I'd put any faith in assisting me or my loved ones in a disaster scenario.

Hopefully some good will come of all this.  I really feel for those affected.

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2005, 04:31:49 PM »
I'm a former (disabled on the job) paramedic - so I know a little bit about disaster planning - and who is responsible for what.  First responsibilty always belongs to local government agencies.  They are backed up by the state - including national gaurd units.  Finally, the state is backed up by federal resources.  FEMA's job is to coordinate the federal assistance.

I wrote the post below a couple of days ago - since then we have learned that while the mayor was yealling for help from the feds - buses and trucks were a few miles away being held up at a National Guard roadblock!

The bottom line, IMHO, is that the local and state authorities bear much more responsiblity for the mess in New Orleans that the feds do - although the feds could have done better.

What we see now is a concerted effort to "blame Bush" - so that when the real facts are brought forward in an investigation, the public's mind will be made up.

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The mainstream press is hard at work blaming President Bush for the high death toll and "slow response" to the Katrina disaster.  Here are some facts that are being under-reported or not reported at all in the mainstream press:

Fact: Liberal groups - including the New York Times - successfully opposed funding for better levees on environmental grounds. Today the New York times blamed Bush and Republicans for not funding better levees

Fact: The New Orleans levee commission had money to buy real estate outside the city and a casino - but not enough money to improve the levees

Fact: National Guard Units are under the command of state Governors, not the President.  Furthermore, Federal law absolutely prohibits the use of Federal troops to enforce state or local laws.  Therefore, by law, their was nothing President Bush could have done to stop the looting, raping, and murders that followed the storm.

Fact: President Bush declared Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama federal disaster areas THREE DAYS before the storm hit. Among other things, this provided federal money for these sates to active their National Guard Units.  Mississippi and Alabama activated their units and moved them north, out of the storm area.  The Democratic Governor of Louisiana did not activate any of her National Guard Units until after the storm.  By then communications were poor and many units equipment was under water.

Fact: The only person with the authority to order an evacuation of New Orleans was its' Mayor. In spite of having three days warning, he did not do so until less then 24hrs before the storm hit.  Why did he finally give the order that saved thousands of people? President Bush called him personally and begged him to do so.

Fact:  The City of New Orleans had 560 buses available to evacuate those who had no transportation of their own.  NOT ONE was used. Instead, the city simply told everyone to flee and told those who could not get out to go to the Superdome and Convention Center.  The person who abandoned the poor and largely black people without transportation was their own black mayor!

Fact: Nearly half the New Orleans Police Department deserted their posts, leaving the city even more vulnerable. This department has been the most corrupt department in the nation for decades.  Officers dealing drugs was very common and one cop even committed murder on duty.  He would never have been caught without an FBI investigation.  A better police department would have gone a long way towards keeping order. (Note: Many New Orleans Officers DID do their duty - they have proven their character by their actions - and should be the core of a new police department!)

Fact: The Governor of Louisiana waited for days before giving the National Guard orders to shoot lawbreakers in New Orleans. When she gave those orders and announced them on radio and TV, the looting and general lawlessness basically stopped.  When you shoot looters instead of letting them go, most will not take that risk.

Fact: It is not reasonable to expect federal resources to be immediately available. Local resources MUST be able to handle disaster until federal resource arrive.   State and Local officials MUST be able to handle the situation for 48 to 72 hours before federal resources arrive.

There clearly were problems with FEMA and other Federal agencies. These problems must be corrected.  But the facts are clear: Had city and state officials done their jobs, everyone could have been out of New Orleans before the storm ever hit!

It's time for the media to stop blaming President Bush and place responsibility where it really belongs!
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2005, 06:05:33 PM »
Agreed. These are facts not frequently heard on most networks. Fox News however is reporting truthfully for the most part. They are the ONLY one that seems to be.

Most of the blame for the thousands of deaths in LA falls squarely on the shoulders of the locals. The Mayor of New Orleans and the state governor.

FEMA cannot come in until requested by the governor. She didn't ask because she doesn't like the current FEMA director. So she called a former director instead. No telling how many lives she cost with that call.


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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2005, 10:49:37 PM »
Good Post Vincewarde I am going to pass this on hope you do not mind.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2005, 03:08:35 AM »
vincewarde and GreyBeard - Gentlemen, you are both correct.  In addition is something few people seem to understand - there is a chain of command that is supposed to be at work here and the two local commanders, the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA, were asleep at the job.

There was adequate warning and the capability to possibly save thousands of lives but those two chose to ignore the warnings.  Also, there is SEMO and FEMA.  The State Emergency Management Office and the Federal Emergency Management Agency - the feds can't come in until the state calls for their assistance - that's the law and those two democrats in LA let thousands die because of their cowardice and indecisiveness.  Yet, only those fools and their supporters are willing to blame the feds and G.W..  I think both should be brought to trial or impeached for their incompetence and the resultant loss of life.  JMHO.  Mikey.

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2005, 10:15:43 AM »
Just my .02 worth , but there is going to be enough blame to go around .

Right now we need to do what we can to help all those that need help now-NOT place blame here or there , do what america does best , JUST GET IT DONE

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