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« on: September 04, 2005, 05:32:27 PM »
All this talk of digital cameras, has left me a bit depressed that I must be among the minority of those who still shoot film.  I understand that unless one does his own developing, true film photography doesn't exist as most prints, enlarged or otherwise are run through computers, but still i can tell a difference between my film shots using quality film, be it B&W or Slide and that which came from a digital camera, even a good 8.2 map.

I wish not to knock digital cameras as I own one.  My wife and I run a side photography business and neither of us wish to switch to digital.  To tell the truth, other than one EOS, all our cameras are old SLR's: F-1's A-1's AE-1's AT-1's and old FD QL's.  (yes we are Canon freaks)  We shoot most on Fuji Velvia 50 ISO or 100 ISO or Kodak T Max B&W.

I was just wondering if there are any film shooters out there or am I alone in here?

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2005, 03:26:28 AM »
No, you're not alone.
I have a lifetime of fine 35mm equipment that I still use and see no need to change.
I am however very impressed with the debth of field possible with the new equipment.  I also realize the I am a voice in the wind that will fade away in the not too distant future.  My grandchildren look in wonder as I load film into my cameras.
I just smile.
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p.s. They don't appreciate the sound of a fine shutter clicking either- sort of a smooth "schnick".

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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2005, 11:26:02 AM »
I've still got my old Cannon A1 and lots of equipment to go with it. But I seldom use it anymore as it's sure cheaper and convenient to use my digital SLR Olympus.

Long years ago when you could still find cheap 35MM movie film packaged for use in cameras and good deals on processing of it I shot tons of photos with it but these days it hardly ever comes out of the case.


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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2005, 05:59:26 PM »
It is getting difficult to find good quality film developing and enlarging.  I am afraid of a future where film is no longer.  

I just hope that having enough die hard film shooters keeps things going.

I can understand on a proffesional level, the digital will be better though not nessesarily in quality but rather convenience.  I like loading film and and all the pleasing aethetics that go with film shooting.

Thx for the replys.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2005, 04:12:35 AM »
Film will not pass away for some time for many of the reasons you and I would agree upon.
The digital camera is wonderful for studio work for it allows us to remove that big wart from Aunt Nan's nose, also the crows feet, and we can take that crossed left eye and point it toward the front.
Aunt Nan, of course, will sing our praises about the town and business will prosper.
However, because of the above, digital pictures are never allowed into a courtroom as evidence.  At least under usual procedures.
But, I would also assume they will probably be able to develop methods or computer programs that would be able to discover any tampering with the digital reproduction.
I also suspect because of all the bells and whistles and neat little tricks you can do with the digital they will certainly replace film use.
In fact, all my children, grand children, and almost everyone else I know have gone to digital.  Hmmmmm, this seems to be a trend.
I don't care.  I'm old and grumpy, and I'm going to hold the fort, keep the flag flying, and take pictues of the enemy with my 3 1/4 X 3 1/4 Rolleflex (my oldest gem) until the ship sinks.  (I seem to have wet feet at the moment!)
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2005, 03:58:01 PM »
I do.Have always been a photography buff.Still shoot 35mm with my Olympus OM2n,Argus A2b,Argus C2&C3.My little Minoxes 8x11mm still see regular use.Ocassionally shoot 120 out of my Richoflex(Rollie knockoff) and some 4x5 in my two Graflex Anniversery models.I mostly shoot B&W and process myself.

I do have a digi-cam,Kodak DC4800.Consumer grade point and shoot digis great for online stuff,"snapshots on vacation(shot 350 stills while on the USS North Carolina)sending photoshop enhanced monster buck pic to buddies :wink: .

Film use is on the decline,just look at how many elmulsion types have been discontinued in the last few years :cry: .Digital still hasnt equalled film in many areas but the technology improves rapidly.Digital is the future but film will never completely go away.

FILM FOREVER!!


P.S.  Agfa please bring back Agfa-Pan25 thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2005, 05:51:17 PM »
thx all for your replys

I only play with the 35mm stuff shooting slide film and B&W print.  I miss Kodachrome 25 and 64 which was my standard for years.  The film is still available but only a few places process it.  

fortunately, Fujichrome 50 ASA is a pure fluid film that doesn't grain regardless of enlarge size.  I hear, it will be discontinued next summer.  They are working on a 100 ASA slide Velvia grade that will too be a fluid film w/o grain.  I look forward for a sample.

I hope film photography never dies.  It is sad for me to think my Canon F-1 will outlast the film it shoots.  It is fairly "brassed" around the corners but it shoots right on the money.  

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2005, 06:18:09 AM »
I began my TV photog career shooting miles of 16mm, but eventually had to shift to tape.  I still have a Nikon Ftn, an F-2 and an F-3 with some nice lenses.  I sometimes use an Olympus 4 mpx digital for a couple of low paying magazines as i can cut out the cost of film & processing.

One thing to watch with digital is whether you will be able to view your photos a few years hence.  I saw a lot of that happen with tape when the technology changed and parents lost the ability to see little Johnny.  Yes, you can keep changing formats, but you might lose some resolution and it can get expensive if you have a lot of photos.

I have photos of my ancestors that were taken around 1901 and I can view them.  How many of you can still run a 5 1/4" floppy on your computer?  Anyone still have a BetaMax 1?  See what I mean?

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2005, 01:14:56 AM »
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However, because of the above, digital pictures are never allowed into a courtroom as evidence. At least under usual procedures.


Then how do you explain video tape? Satellite imagery? I know both have been used in courtrooms. The truth is that film can be faked too. That is why a photo in and of itself is not good evidence it also takes the person who shot the photo and can explain when, with what, the distance, etc.

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 04:39:59 AM »
Jack is right in that the photog or editor is always subpoenaed.  Still, I can manipulate in my computer easier than on a negative.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2005, 04:11:59 PM »
I always wanted a "great" slr camera and with prices of 35mm dropping I got some great Nikon equipment and started snapping away.  I have a good olympus digital that takes awesome pictures.  Some better than I can do with the 35mm but I am just learning.  I feel like I am learning photography with the 35mm versus taking snapshots with the digital.  


Long live film! :D

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2005, 07:53:48 AM »
Sadly it seems that film will become a thing of the past.  In NO way is this new digital technology that changes quicker than I change socks interesting to me.  It is so easy to manipulate a photo image these days that the art of photography is dead for sure.   I will hang on to my 35mm cameras as long as I possibly can.  It is true that a number of slide films have and will be discontinued in the near future.  Hopefully there will be at least something left for us to use.  Not many labs doing a good job anymore in getting us good developing either.  It is all due to the computer generation we live in these days.  People can't do a thing if it doesn't include a computer anymore!  They can't add 2 + 2 without one, and instead of becoming smarter, the world is really becoming dumber because they don't exercise their brains anymore, other than to learn to work a computer of course!

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2005, 12:00:44 PM »
Quote from: Star1pup

One thing to watch with digital is whether you will be able to view your photos a few years hence.  I saw a lot of that happen with tape when the technology changed and parents lost the ability to see little Johnny.  Yes, you can keep changing formats, but you might lose some resolution and it can get expensive if you have a lot of photos.

I have photos of my ancestors that were taken around 1901 and I can view them.  How many of you can still run a 5 1/4" floppy on your computer?  Anyone still have a BetaMax 1?  See what I mean?


Star1pup brings up some very valid points.Many folks have not taken this into consideration at the consumer level.The 5.25'' floppy is a perfect example.Ive seen estimates from computer technology "experts" on how long the info may last on floppys and CD-ROM/DVD but nobody knows for sure.Magnetic tape in its various formats does degrade and not suitable for archival applications.

Photographs(prints and plates)silver halide  based have lasted well over 100 years.Film emulsions(negatives) if properly stored have lasted as long.Digital is the future,but film isnt going away anytime soon.We will just have less emulsion choices.Film is still being used for its known archival properties.

20 years from now,will you be able to retrieve your photos off a CD-ROM???

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2005, 03:50:38 AM »
To a pro photog, digital is a tool, as is film.  A carpenter doesn't use a saw for a hammer.

Someday, they will pefect an archival means to print digital out of your printer and then it will replace film.

That said, I long for the days I had a nice 4 x 5 camera and a darkroom.  Remember the aroma  of Dektol and Microdol?

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2005, 06:55:36 PM »
I have to many film cameras to quit. I also have a Nikon D70 and really enjoy it. Do mostly portraits of family and friends with it. Like shooting landscapes and animals and IMO digital don't touch film. A digital image looks like it lays on the paper and a silver print comes out of the paper.

Not only that, my film cameras feel better in my hands and are more fun to shoot.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2006, 09:58:37 AM »
And I really miss my old 4x5 Linhoff!!!  I have often thought about just buying a used 4x5 and taking scenics for my own enjoyment.  Maybe be a poor man's Ansel Adams. :grin:

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2006, 10:23:43 PM »
Theres a guy named Monty Johnson on the "Shutterbug" site that does all large format and has great stuff. Unless your a professional, photography is about personnal pleasure. I see no reason to try and save $5 on a roll of film if you only shoot a couple rolls a month. For sheer relaxation, I get out my old RB 67 mediun format totally manual film camera. You couldn't get a battery in it if you wanted to and you need your own light meter.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2006, 11:08:40 PM »
I like to use my Samsung 5.0 digital to store allot of pictures on CD, but I also use my reg 35mm, because if I'm going to want to print the picture I can't get the quailty out of my printer to a perfect clarity. Although the future is upon us, I work at IBM, and one of the partner/customer has built a new printer which will start a new revolution on how printers are made, unbeleiveable quality and super fast. Thats all I can say about it!! Hush!!
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2006, 02:17:45 AM »
I use a lot of digital for my articles to low paying publications, but not for any photos I might want to look at after the computer format changes.  Have you noticed how few VHS movies there are now that DVD has become affordable?  So, what about all of the VHS tapes of the kids?  Will you be able to view them in a few years?

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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2006, 12:55:02 PM »
Sounds to me like the problem with VHS is that when your player quits, you got nothing to play them on. I've got a lot of tapes and a life time supply of players. The problem with DVD may be the same plus DVD rot. Not up on that very well but it sounds like good buys in DVD's to store your photo's might not really be good buy's.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2006, 09:26:06 AM »
Don, you are right.  As technology changes you suddenly find that all of the tapes of the kids are obsolete.  You either have to have enough players to keep going, or transfer.  Tranfers can get expensive if you want quality.  I spent 12 years at a TV station and then had my own production company before I retired.  I saw many professiional format changes, but we could amortize the near purhcases.  I also saw a lot of disappointed people when they found out their home videos could no longer be enjoyed.  Remember Beta Max 1?

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2006, 03:24:34 AM »
I am also a Canon shooter, got my first one in 1965. It was a QL 16 range finder 35mm. Over the years I've upgraded with the purchase of an A-1, AE-1, EF, T90. I still have those and all the "stuff" that goes with them. I resisted digital for a long time because the digitals I got were very low in picture quality when compared to my beloved Kodachrome 64. I always said when the sensors in digitals got as good a KC64 I'd switch.  I got a 10D when it came out and found it also left allot to be desired. I now have a 5D and have put my film cameras away, removed the batteries, broken down my B/W darkroom, taken all the chemicals to the land fill and given all my paper to the local community college.
When i retired I gave myself a gift of a complete digital darkroom, a detected laptop, desktop, external  storage drive, software, flashes, lenses, and three printers. I have crossed the bridge and didn't look back, the bridge isn't burned but it is surely closed. I still practice the discipline of film in that I strive to get shots that are correct right from the camera. I only size for the web and email and crop. The software does call and i have been more and more playing with it.  So far all my prints has been "as shot" but I'm sure that will change over time. I do miss REAL B/W though. Such is life.
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2006, 03:43:30 AM »
I just got a digital Rebel XT, and I have to admit that it's fun to use.  I shot some photos of a wedding for a friend last night and being able to view each shot was nice.  I still can't bring myself to sell all of my Nikons & lenses, but the Rebel has its appeal.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2006, 05:53:36 AM »
Star1pup,
Ah yes.....you bring back all my deepest feeliings concerning film-based photography.  I started out as a kid buying used equipment in h/s.  Enjoyed roll film in 2 1/4 sq. format with a Rollei.  I always leaned towards larger formats but could never afford owning my own 4x5 Graphic until I started working in a large commercial/retail photo shop.  Then after serving 4 yrs. w/ Uncle Sam, I joined GE and finally got a decent job in metallography, doing a wide variety of jobs around the lab in just about everything from 35mm up to and including 8x10 sheet film.  I was in Heaven!  Had the darkroom with Omega Enlarger and full color processing.  As you recalled smells of Dektol and Microdol X....... it brings a smile to this old geezer. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2006, 12:46:46 PM »
Wow.
Great discussion here.
We did have a darkroom set up in the basement when I was younger.
....and now I'm trying to remember the last time anyone in our immediate family even considered using film.
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2008, 05:41:31 AM »
All this talk of digital cameras, has left me a bit depressed that I must be among the minority of those who still shoot film.  I understand that unless one does his own developing, true film photography doesn't exist as most prints, enlarged or otherwise are run through computers, but still i can tell a difference between my film shots using quality film, be it B&W or Slide and that which came from a digital camera, even a good 8.2 map.

I wish not to knock digital cameras as I own one.  My wife and I run a side photography business and neither of us wish to switch to digital.  To tell the truth, other than one EOS, all our cameras are old SLR's: F-1's A-1's AE-1's AT-1's and old FD QL's.  (yes we are Canon freaks)  We shoot most on Fuji Velvia 50 ISO or 100 ISO or Kodak T Max B&W.

I was just wondering if there are any film shooters out there or am I alone in here?

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I just spent a fair amount of money to get, with motor drives, two F-1Ns, a F-1n, a F2, F3, a Topcon Super DM and in a bit of convoluted thinking sevealr Ricoh XR-Ps (I wanted the items, but to get the items one had to also take the camera).
ONe reason I bought them is right now. film camersa are most likely at the bottom of the price curve (this is the top quality ones) and the Japanese, who are fanatics about camera collecting, are starting to buy the best stuff for collections. If you wait, prices will soon be outrageously high.
I found the latter to be true when I tried to get a Nikon F2, as well as other camers which I thought I had over paid for, within weeks were selling for fifty to one hundred percent more than I paid
(Side note: ten years ago. plus or minus, a top collectible camera agency had for sale a High-speed Canon F-1 from the 1970s Olympics, for apprx. two thousand dollars. At the time I thought that was still high, but that it would be neat to have when its price dropped further.
Now, depending on condition of the camera, they sell for from five to ten thousand dollars.
Last month a non-functioning high-speed version of the last F-1,sold for just under one thousand dollars.)

Digital will never be a high quality as film,(I am not going to go into the tech. whys) but the one thing digital will never have, that film can have if it one takes the effort is permanence.
I got this from a person in a video studio, and I had heard it before; to paraphrase: film will last decades to centuries; vidieo if cared for can last made to last decades; digital if not transferred to either tape or film reaches the point of failed quality within ten years.

Go to your computer F-1 and type APUG into google, it will take you Analog Photo Users Group, you might like it.

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2008, 05:13:21 AM »
I still have some great Nikon equipment, but probably put on e-bay one of these days.  As an outdoor writer, the digital is very helpful.  I don't spend money on film and processing when the smaller publications do not pay big bucks.  I also save on postage as I can e-mail.

That said, I sure miss shooting film.  If I still had my darkroom equipment I would get a big view camera and go shoot B&W scenics just as a hobby.  Maybe someone should make an aftershave that smells like Dektol or Microdol.  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2008, 11:54:59 AM »
I still have some great Nikon equipment, but probably put on e-bay one of these days.  As an outdoor writer, the digital is very helpful.  I don't spend money on film and processing when the smaller publications do not pay big bucks.  I also save on postage as I can e-mail.

That said, I sure miss shooting film.  If I still had my darkroom equipment I would get a big view camera and go shoot B&W scenics just as a hobby.  Maybe someone should make an aftershave that smells like Dektol or Microdol.  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2008, 03:19:56 PM »
Yes I have two Nikon SLR's that I love and will take pictures with until you can't buy film anymore. Call me old fashioned but I still like them over my Nikon digital.
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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2008, 05:26:31 AM »
I've done and still do some, nature photos, insects, flowers butterflys etc. digital doesn't give me the quality of a good 35mm when enlarging.