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Offline DonT

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45-70 or 444 Marlin with shot to use in TC barrel
« on: December 01, 2002, 05:59:41 AM »
Has anyone heard of folks using one of these to make up brass ".410 roudnds with shot to shoot in a 45LC/.410 TC barrel.

I have access to a lathe so turning down the rims on a 45-70 isn't a problem and it seems the same OD as a 45 LC.  But the 444 Marlin is a bit longer (about a 1/4") allowing for more shot but it is about 27 thous. smaller than the 45 LC.

If you have done this or know where I can find data on it or have another round that will work please drop me a note with the details...

Thanks.... DonT :roll:

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45-70 or 444 Marlin with shot to use in TC
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2002, 12:34:31 PM »
Why go through all that?  Just shoot .410 shotgun shells...

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2002, 03:00:19 PM »
ricciardelli,

First I very much enjoy your pages they have been very helpful for me in the past.

You are correct that just shooting .410 shells is the easiest.  But my thoughts for realoading are that:
1. I do not reload for any shotguns now
2. It allows me to tailor load the shell to fit my needs
3. Allows me to load with a variety of projectiles not commonly available
4. Its fun
5 I am set up to load brass cartridges in 45 colt and 45-70 now.

I know this isn't an good option for a lot of people but thought it might be fun and something a little different.  Of course a lot of people think I am half a bubble off anyway...

Thanks for the input...
DonT :shock:

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2002, 04:36:11 AM »
the problem is the rifling . it eill cause a "toroid " effect on the pattern. It will be a donut with a rather large central area with out any shot in it.
  you can play around with this idea using an over powder wad and an over shot card to keep the components where they belong. some peopletried these as snake loads a long time ago.
  best of luck, jh

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45-70 or 444 Marlin with shot to use in TC
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2002, 04:48:41 AM »
HI DonT,

I guess my bubble must be off a little too because that sounds like a great idea to me.  

I make snake loads for my 44  and 357 by putting a small charge of powder in the case, then pushing a gas check down over the powder, then fill the case with shot, then crimp a gas check upside down over the shot.

I have used this load in rifles and revolvers to kill stray cats, woodpeckers that are trying to invade my house, and they even work good on grouse.  In Idaho you can shoot them with any type of weapon.

The only caution is to get the right amount of powder in the case.  I tested one of my first loads on a sheet of plywood at about 15 feet and got showered with shot when it bounced back at me.  I added enough shot to get the shot to stick in the plywood and they work great.

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