Author Topic: Question about .45LC LBT bullets from Cabela's... (Read 2407 times)

perklo · « **on:** September 12, 2005, 05:47:43 AM »

:-)

I just ordered a box of the LBT, 300 gr., .452, GC Flat Noses from Cabela's.

The picture showed a bullet that already has the gas check seated, is lubed and thereby sized...

Is that the way they come? Or do I need to buy Gas Checks and a sizing die for .45 LC??

Thanks - perklo

perklo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2005, 08:32:32 AM »

And one more question...

Will the standard Bullet Seating die from my RCBS Carbide 3-die set work with the 300 gr. Flatnose LBT, or will it deform the business end??

- Thanks - perklo

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:23:04 AM »

they come sized and checked and they should be hard enough that you shouldnt have to worry about deforming bullets.

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:51:09 AM »

BUT they ARE NOT LBT bullets. The maker of them does not buy their moulds from LBT. They are from another mould maker who uses a pattern somewhat like the one Veral of LBT fame originated.

So technically and I suppose legally they are a tad fraudulent in calling them LBT.

Veral · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2005, 05:53:26 PM »

Amen, amen

If you don't cast and if they work fine I won't knock them. But PLEASE, if they don't shoot with super accuracy, and, even if you are happy with the accuracy, don't think you have tried LBT performance.

Also, all lead will break up a little on large bones, this because bone of real healthy animals is about 40 bhn. It isn't possible to AFFORDABLY produce lead alloy bullets that will remain harder than about 20 bhn from point of production till whenever they are used. So the lead is going to give some on heavy bone, but if it has enough power, the bone is most brittle and gets broken in defying the lead. The 'super hard' Cast Performance bullets which I've tested in the past ran about 18 bhn.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2005, 11:37:30 PM »

If you read between the lines here you can see a reason to cast your own. In my opinion cast performance makes a good production bullet. But like just about every commercial caster they have to compromise somewhat. Most all of them actually sell water dropped bullets the reason is that bullets dropping from a casting machine have a tendency to dent and deform and dropping them in water cures that. It also tends to make a bullet that is more brittle then a bullet that is cast out of a proper alloy for the hardness you are looking for. Most people that buy bullets arent people that shoot alot anyway and they are more impressed with bullets that look good then bullets that perform good. If kelly shipped bullets out that had visual defects in them even if they performed better then the good looking ones hed loose alot of business. Bullet casters that hand cast like Creaker used to and mount baldy still does with alot of his, have to sell them at higher prices and most people dont know the differnce and arent will to buck up and pay the premium even if they do.

Rayco3 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 01, 2006, 05:05:14 AM »

Veral -

Do the folks at Beartooth Bullets buy their molds from you, or are their's from another supplier also? Thanks.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** March 01, 2006, 05:17:48 AM »

I don't think Veral drops by this forum that often. You'd be better to ask your question of him on his forum at this site. He checks in there several times a week.

oliver77 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2006, 02:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard

I don't think Veral drops by this forum that often. You'd be better to ask your question of him on his forum at this site. He checks in there several times a week.

Graybeard, you lost me there. Is there another forum for Veral? Thanks, Jay

Graybeard · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2006, 06:03:37 PM »

My bad, for some reason when I posted that I thought I was on the Cast Bullet Forum. In fact it might have been and have been moved to Veral's forum but I'm not sure. Hey some days I don't even know who I am much less which forum I'm reading. :-D

Unlike most folks I don't go to Forums, I use the what's new since last visit option and at times I forget which forum I'm on. :lol: Dat's my story and I'm sticking to it. :roll:

Veral · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2006, 06:48:27 PM »

Sorry folks, but neither Beartooth nor Cast Performance buys ANY products from LBT that I know of. I haven't seen any Beartooth bullets in the last 6 years, since I sold them the last mold, which was sneak bought by another customer for them. May be still going on, I don't know, and I prefer that to having them sell counterfeit bullets like Cast Performance does.

I made all the molds for both of them for a few years, including the Federal premium handgun ctg molds when Cast Performance first started making those. Those bullets by the way are my design, slightly modified to Federal specs so they will chamber in any revolver, which is mandatory for loaded factory ammo. If they shoot accurately in your gun, you'll get LBT performance on game. Same for the counterfeit Cabala's/ Cast Performance bullets. Game can't seem to tell who made the mold that cast the bullet that hit them. If the nose flat is big and the bullet goes where the hunter aims it, bullets from any mold will work fine. -- On the other hand, if you get leading, or poor accuracy from either of these casters, please don't blame LBT. Come to us and get the performace we offer.
Both have treated me very crookedly, so I can only warn customers that if they are crooked to me, they will be to anyone if they get a chance. I wouldn't even tell you that if it weren't for the fact that I get a steady drizzle of reports from injured customers of theirs who think LBT is affiliated. If they want to play dirty, I won't take the blows they should be getting.