Author Topic: remington corelocks (Read 2337 times)

deernutt · « **on:** September 13, 2005, 06:26:38 PM »

anyone use 100 gr. corelocks on deer?how do they hold up on close range shoulder shots? i have a new 26-06 and looking for a load.

Lone Star · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2005, 04:24:15 AM »

I would not use them on close range shots out of a .25-06. If close shots are a real possibility, I'd go to a premium bullet like the Barnes X or Nosler Partition. Another possibility is to use 120-grain CoreLokts.

varmit_master · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2005, 05:57:46 AM »

Hi i think they would work. I am loading some 100gr BT for deer. VM

deerman12 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2005, 10:15:28 AM »

I agree with Lone Star. I have shot deer with corelokts close and they explode. I like the 117 grain SPT Hornady and/or Sierra. Again, this is my opinion. I know alot of guys around that do not reload and corelokt is all the shoot. If you reload there are better bullets to be had.

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2005, 12:36:45 PM »

Close range shoulder shots using 100 gr. Core-Lokts out of a .25-06. Sorry but this is a prescription for trouble. Shoulder shots ruin meat anyway, on top of being unnecessary on deer, and using a light 100 gr. Core-Lokt is even worse. Way to fragile. If you have to use Core-Lokts go the heavier 115 or 120 gr. versions. Better yet go to a premium bullet like the 115 or 120 gr. Nosler Partition. If you have to use factory loads and want to use 100 gr. then switch to Federal 100 gr. Premium Vital Shok load with Barnes TSX bullets. They wont go to pieces on the shoulder bones but they will still bloodshot the meat on close in shots. Why not shoot for the boiler room(heat/lung) and guarantee your deer. Dont worry about deer running off, they wont go far and the blood trail will make them easy to find. My family took 17 bucks last year with heart/lung shots and the farthest any went was about 50 feet(one my daughter in-law shot with her .25 WSSM using the 100 gr. TSX bullet). Lawdog

mountainview · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2005, 06:34:42 PM »

'Til I started handloading, 100 grain Core-Lokts were what my 700 had a marked preference for. I stayed away from shoulder shots (still do) and went for the boiler room with the result that no trailing was needed even for close in work which typified the area I hunted. I did have a front on shot at a buck which is one of the few times that a secnd shot was needed though the buck did not move far at all after the first shot. My conclusion is that, though they are preferred, if the 120 grain C-Lokts won't group, the 100 grainers will do the job when judicious shot placement is practiced.

varmit_master · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2005, 03:00:17 AM »

Here in Arkansas the deer isnt as big as they are up north. They are small so i would use a 100gr bullet on the deer. VM

poncaguy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2005, 07:02:20 AM »

They are great for lung-heart shots, but not for shoulder shots..........

cal sibley · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2005, 02:05:46 PM »

There was a time when I liked everything coming from Remington, but not anymore. The bullet will kill alright, but the accuracy has deteriorated quite a bit. There are a lot of excellent bullets available to us today that will do a much better job than the Remingtons. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

longwalker · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2005, 04:47:59 PM »

I have used 100 grain bullets in my 25-06 for several years now. I have killed antelope, mule deer and white tails. All fell with single heart/lung shots. Except one very long shot on an antelope that was head on. A bullet hitting the buck in the neck dropped him on the spot. One must recognise the limitations of ones ammunition andand skill level make decisions accordingly.

I would recomend you find the bullet that shoots the best for you out of your gun and use that as your hunting round. After all , you can't miss fast enough.

longwalker

rickt300 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 27, 2005, 07:26:16 AM »

If your doing a lot of close in shooting get a 30-30 for it and use the 25-06 for more open country. I have found high velocity rifles to be a bit destructive at close range while being good killers. I would find out if Winchester's 120 grain bullet will shoot well enough in your rifle and if so settle for it, great bullet!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2005, 09:24:26 AM »

I just love the Barnes bullets. I don't have to worry about if the bullet is going to hold together. Also I have found great accuracy with the barnes bullets.

jro45 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 17, 2005, 12:55:08 PM »

If I were you I'd get some Nosler Partitions. I shoot both the 120gr and the 100gr and both are Noslers.

nomosendero · « **Reply #13 on:** October 17, 2005, 03:39:55 PM »

deernut
When you say load, do you mean factory or handload? If factory, I would
go with the 100 TSX or 115 Nos. Part. based on what shot in your gun if
you like shoulder shots. In Heart, Lung shots, alot of bullets will work,
including the Core Lock, however I do not know what this bullet will do that others won't, at least in this caliber. If you use a 100 grain, you may
as well get good ballistic properties to take advantage of the velocities &
this bullet does not offer that & the 100TSX is the best 100 gr. ballistically.

In reloads, in addition to those already stated, you have the 120 Part. &
115 TSX & Trophy Bonded. I just returned from Wyoming where we used
125 Grain Wildcat R.B.B.T. U.L.D. bullets to harvest 6 Antelope & 3 Mule
Deer fom 80 yards to 400 Yards. This could be my favorite .25 Cal. bullet
& I have used all of the above (the 115TSX & 120 Part. alot). We only shot
1 close & in the shoulder (the 80 yd. one) so I am not certain about the
bullet for that application, but it was a bang, flop for that Antelope!!
Even though the bullet is soft, the long shank aids penetration.
For long range shooting at a velocity of 3,250 in my 25-06 AI, it can not
be beat by any mass produced bullet in 25 cal. that I am aware of.

Ramrod · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2005, 04:26:52 PM »

Everyone has a favorite bullet, but when you hear folks tell you that this or that bullet kills better than the Core-locks, you can pretty well dismiss it as a bunch of crap. Remington has been loading this bullet longer than most here have been alive on this planet. Guess what? It still works just as well, if not better than alot of the "johnny-come-latley" much more expensive numbers.

nomosendero · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2005, 04:43:57 PM »

Nobody said that they did not kill & if you like them, then use them. The
30-30 still works & oh my, it has been out a lot longer than "Johnny-come-
lately" rounds like the 270WSM & .257 Wea. & such rounds so I guess we
are supposed to conclude that that the 30-30 MUST be better & to say
otherwise is a bunch of crap, right?

Ramrod · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2005, 05:26:49 PM »

nomosendero, I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. Dead is dead, what more can be asked? Please clarify.

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2005, 06:48:46 PM »

The comparison in my last post would be using using your logic, do you understand that?
If not, here goes, & btw, broadheads kill things also, & dead is dead, right?

In reference to .25 cal. bullets

(1) Core-Lokt's kill, but many feel as I do, that some kill faster & more efficiently, if you feel that they are the best, then use them.
(2) Core-Lokt's can be accurate in some rifles, but other bullets are more accurate in any rifle that I have tried in .25 cal., if they for some weird reason do better in your .25, then use them.
(3) Core-Lokt's in some calibers penetrate well, but some do better, as anyone who uses TSX, Nos. Part., Swift Bullets, Trophy Bonded & others
can easily affirm. If you can convince yourself without facts that the Big
Green bullets penetrate better, then use them!
(4) The Core-Lokt has a terrible Bal. Coe. compared to almost all major
bullets mentioned except maybe the TB & some outclass the the Big Green
slug big time as does the Accubond, BT, SST, Part., Sierra & as I said,
just about every .25 Cal. bullet made. In 100 Gr., the TSX is great in this regard & the Wildcat bullet we used in Wyoming last week were in a whole new league with BC values comparable to a 200 Gr. 30 cal. Match King.
(5) The Core-Lokt due to the weak BC value, experience much more wind
drift than the other bullets. The superior wind resistance of the Wildcat
bullets helped us alot in Wyoming & every animal we shot was hit very
close to the chosen spot regardless of range.

Of course if Longer range shooting is not part of one's hunting, then the
Big Green bullets will carry just fine.

Reasons 1 & 2 would not be disputed by those who have tried all or most
of these bullets, but just the same, it could be argued. Reasons 3, 4 & 5
are easily measured & objectively proven.

You wanted me to clarify & so be it. Have a nice evening.

Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2005, 08:57:10 AM »

Quote from: Ramrod

Everyone has a favorite bullet, but when you hear folks tell you that this or that bullet kills better than the Core-locks, you can pretty well dismiss it as a bunch of crap. Remington has been loading this bullet longer than most here have been alive on this planet. Guess what? It still works just as well, if not better than alot of the "johnny-come-latley" much more expensive numbers.

Not flaming so please don't take it that way but the "bunch of crap" is the part I, and I believe others, take exception too. Core-Lokt's are just another lead core bullet that can/has failed. By failed I mean busted up, fragmented and/or failed to penetrate. The first time I saw a Core-Lokt fail was on a hunting trip to Colorado in 1965 with my new in-laws. My late Father in-law was shooting his favorite .300 Weatherby loaded with 180 Core-Lokts. He shot a nice cow Elk at 100+/- yards as it was quartering toward him. That bullet just flat out busted up, destroying the whole front leg without penetrating the chest cavity. That cow required two more shots to put her down. Thats not the only time I have seen lead core bullets fail. All bullets kill equally well, IF they hold up. Modern technology has made improvements in bullets, powders, etc.. Just because something has been around for a long time saying its the best doesn't make it so. Lawdog

rickt300 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2005, 07:43:07 PM »

Lets see push the bullet up past it's performance envelope and hit a large animal in the shoulder bone, Hmm sounds like there's more than the bullet at fault. If the first shot had been placed in the neck or behind the shoulder like most people would do if they were shooting a cow elk for meat your notice of failure wouldn't exist would it? No one bullet will do it all. On deer my 308 loaded with the 165 grain PSPCL pushed to 2650 fps works perfectly, I can't see how it's performance could be improved on.

sgtt · « **Reply #20 on:** October 19, 2005, 07:50:25 PM »

If I am not mistaken, the Core-Lokts of 1965, were really a different bullet than those of current mfg. Back then the bullet was more similar to the Hornady Interlocked and today they are a bonded bullet. Probably more similar to the Speer Hot Core. I believe the change was due to mfg costs.

Lawdog · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2005, 08:31:51 AM »

Quote from: rickt300

Lets see push the bullet up past it's performance envelope and hit a large animal in the shoulder bone, Hmm sounds like there's more than the bullet at fault.

Yes it's bullet's fault when it's a factory load.

Quote

If the first shot had been placed in the neck or behind the shoulder like most people would do if they were shooting a cow elk for meat your notice of failure wouldn't exist would it?

Sometimes a neck shot isn't always the best or even possible due to the position of the animal. In this case the best shot was the shoulder!/b] No matter which way you cut it in this case the Core-Lokt failed, Period. And that isnt the only time I have seen them fail. Not everyone shoot cartridges that have muzzle velocities under 2,900 fps. True there is no such thing as an all around or perfect bullet. BUT you can use a bullet that will work in the cartridges of your choice. And if the factory is going to load a bullet in a cartridge then the consumer has the right to expect that bullet not to fail. Or dont you agree with that? Lawdog

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 20, 2005, 08:44:37 AM »

Quote from: Lawdog

Quote from: Ramrod
Everyone has a favorite bullet, but when you hear folks tell you that this or that bullet kills better than the Core-locks, you can pretty well dismiss it as a bunch of crap. Remington has been loading this bullet longer than most here have been alive on this planet. Guess what? It still works just as well, if not better than alot of the "johnny-come-latley" much more expensive numbers.

Not flaming so please don't take it that way but the "bunch of crap" is the part I, and I believe others, take exception too. Core-Lokt's are just another lead core bullet that can/has failed. By failed I mean busted up, fragmented and/or failed to penetrate. The first time I saw a Core-Lokt fail was on a hunting trip to Colorado in 1965 with my new in-laws. My late Father in-law was shooting his favorite .300 Weatherby loaded with 180 Core-Lokts. He shot a nice cow Elk at 100+/- yards as it was quartering toward him. That bullet just flat out busted up, destroying the whole front leg without penetrating the chest cavity. That cow required two more shots to put her down. Thats not the only time I have seen lead core bullets fail. All bullets kill equally well, IF they hold up. Modern technology has made improvements in bullets, powders, etc.. Just because something has been around for a long time saying its the best doesn't make it so. Lawdog

I could not agree more. Sounds like it is another case of premium bullet hating. :-D

Ramrod · « **Reply #23 on:** October 20, 2005, 01:57:39 PM »

Not everyone is in love with the "high velocity" theory of killing game, so have no need for premium bullets.

rickt300 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 20, 2005, 08:35:39 PM »

I feel the factory could be held responsible for loading an unsuited bullet for the cartridge. Another thing Remington didn't start loading the Weatherby round until the 80's or so I thought. Back in the 60's the Weatherby cartridges were still called "proprietary" meaning I believe that only the manufacturer/inventor could produce ammunition for them. In this case Weatherby and the bullet would have been a pre interloc Hornady spire point.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2005, 04:40:37 AM »

Redhawk/Lawdog, does GB get any money for all this advertising you guys do for Barnes or do you keep it all? Why does every thread regarding bullets, in this case Core Lokts, have to turn into a pissing match with anyone that doesn't believe a Barnes bullet isn't some sort of magic bullet? It does get tedious.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2005, 05:07:05 AM »

Quote from: Ramrod

Not everyone is in love with the "high velocity" theory of killing game, so have no need for premium bullets.

I see no reason, even with "high velocity" to not use the good, cheap remington corelot.......It's just a great value if you ask me! Yea, so if you shoot a deer in the shoulder at 20 yards with a caliber that's 3000fps or above, and the bullet comes apart but the deer bang flops......why is this a bad thing? So there's a hole the size of my fist......I've lost a couple of pounds of meat......maybe.........

Corelot......good bullet......great price......proven over the years as a great performer.......

bajabill · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2005, 06:15:28 AM »

nice gentle nudge beemanbeme

nomosendero · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2005, 06:16:35 AM »

victorcharlie

I gave some reasons for other bullets in my previous post, so no need to
do it again. However, those reasons are not for everyone. In a couple of
weeks the gun season will start here in AR. & I will be spending time in
some of my tree stands. Usually in this situation, I can place the shot in
the ribcage to take out the Heart, Lung area. In this situation, just about
any bullet will do. So really, if the Core-Lokt works for someone in their
hunting situation, fine. My point was to show that there are better bullets
in .25 Cal. for virtually any situation & there are. Rickt mentioned using
the C-L in a .308 for Deer, that is a good Cal. & application for that bullet.
In my applications where I use a .25 cal., the Core-Lokt offers me no
advantages & several disadvantages (especially over 250 yards) so
therefore they are not for me.

Ramrod said earlier that not everyone is in love with the high velocity of
killing game & this is true as nothing is for everybody except death. But
the 6 Antelope & 3 Mule Deer we took last week with carefully developed,
high velocity .25 Cal. loads would argue that it may be more than a theory!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2005, 07:53:30 AM »

Quote from: beemanbeme

Redhawk/Lawdog, does GB get any money for all this advertising you guys do for Barnes or do you keep it all? Why does every thread regarding bullets, in this case Core Lokts, have to turn into a pissing match with anyone that doesn't believe a Barnes bullet isn't some sort of magic bullet? It does get tedious.

OK beemanbeme, the same could be said about the posts for Barnes Bullets. All you guy that shoot them Core Lokts come a say how premium bullets are not needed and a waste of money. But I guess that is OK in your book. You don't like what some people post, don't reply. No one is forcing you to buy anything. And as I can tell it is most of you that start the pissing match with your attacks on premium bullets.

This is an open forum and as you, I have the privilege to post. If you don't like what I or others have to say, put us on your ignore list, I have a few on mine. :roll: