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« on: September 17, 2005, 02:02:23 PM »
I'm trying to decide between the .223 or other 'varmint caliber' barrel for my Ultra Frame. Which likes factory more enough not to havta reload? I'd like something to compliment my 2 rifles. Got the deer getting .308, the whittle rascal nabbing .17HMR, but i'm missing the caliber to put down larger varmints.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 02:15:58 PM »
I am not sure what to say on this one. On one hand you have the 223. In which is almost guaranteed to shoot the WWB 45gr JHP's great. And the ammo price isn't bad either.
Then on the other hand you have the real long range and ability to shoot heavier bullets with the 25-06. But the price of ammo is a lot more then 223's.
What exactly do you feel you need or are leaning toward?
What kind of game do you feel you need to be able to take out with your next decision?
Ever thought of going the 243 route?

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 02:29:58 PM »
my goal is something on the cheap side of ammo and the capabilities to take varmints like coyotes at the most a few 100yrds, plus comfortable shooting without a recoil problem. The poll i had put the .243 as a choice but forgot to click "add option". And while .243 aint a beating of a recoiling round the nice .223 is more favorable.
I would just buy the .223 Survivor if the barrel wern't so much cheaper
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 03:09:11 PM »
Well then I say why not a 223? It sounds great for what your looking for. A low recoil decent long range caliber. Plus you can get some great ammo for very little $.
I have shot groundhogs with the WWB 45gr at 300 yards with no problem if I do my part. A lot smaller target campared to the yotes. I love my 17HMR and have done some great shots with it, but the 223 always shines as a great varmint rifle at many ranges. I like the 17 for close to mid-200+ yard-ranges
In my line up of rifles for a certain job, the 223 is definitly in there.
Besides if you need to take a longer shot, bring that 08 barrel with ya. Everyone knows 308 is a distance king.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 03:44:27 PM »
22-250 is still King for the varmints, if you need cheap then go with the .223, if you want the best just go with the 22-250.  Larry
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 04:58:35 PM »
None of the above...

Pure varmint hunting...simple enough...the 22-250 or the 204...add anything above coyotes...the 243...

If your wanting cheap...the 223 will work...they are accurate as what has been posted here...but if mitchell ever gets around to posting what he's getting out of the 243 24"bull barrel I sold him...you might want to reconsider..

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 05:06:02 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 05:24:56 PM »
.223.  Unless you also plan on shooting something larger on the same outing.  The .223 cartridge is easy to reload and is mild in recoil.  It also has a stellar reputation for accuracy.  For varmit hunting, .223 .223 .223.  
 
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 05:55:54 PM »
.223 shines through. no ultra barrels in .22-250 or .204 ya know.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2005, 06:40:31 PM »
I agree it would be awesome if they would make the 22-250 and 204 in 24" bull barrel like the 223 Ultra.
Be even nicer if they would make a 26" bull barrel, though I don't think we will see such any time soon.

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2005, 08:51:40 PM »
You never know what you can get unless you call them...now do you?

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2005, 04:14:35 AM »
very true. No matter which barrel i get i will havta order the scope mount and hammer off set and forend separetley?
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2005, 04:34:35 AM »
I just had them put a 24" 22 250 fluted barrel on mine,and so far its shooting about1/2" at 100 yds with handloads. Digger
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2005, 05:31:08 AM »
If you handload .22-250, .243, or .25-06, if you don't .223. :D

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2005, 05:59:12 AM »
I say all three, at least two, 223 or 22-250 and 243 for heavy work.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2005, 06:04:29 AM »
I was thinking the same thing when I bought my handi in 25-06.I am a handloader so the price of the 25-06 wasn't a factor.
I have a ranch to hunt on for coyote's and then also allow to hunt deer there also.the 25-06 after looking up the charts just seem to fill the bill and a flat shooting varmint/deer round.
walmart has 25-06 rem 100 gr sp's at 13.00 a box which really isn't all that bad if you don't handload.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2005, 06:25:41 AM »
Quote from: Mac11700
You never know what you can get unless you call them...now do you?

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Mac, you aren't refering to my post were you? Because if you know of anyway we could be getting 26" bull barrels, you better start confessing :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2005, 06:42:40 AM »
Well...from what I've been told...it's just a rumor mind ya....they are considering a few different things.Could be some longer barrels...could be some different color laminated stocks...could be some new calibers...the higher ups are aware of what we want at NEF/Marlin..they been told by a-lot of folks other than those here and we here have been noticed by management as well.....and it's really up to a few there to deceide what new things they are going to bring out...or what older things they will bring.....back ... :wink:

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2005, 07:30:57 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2005, 07:38:03 AM »
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r what older things they will bring.....back ... Wink


Humm.....7x57? 35 Whelen? Heart be still... :-D

Any way to answer the question if you want cheap go with the 223. But if you want a great varmint caliber go with the 22-250. Just got my barrel and have already got 50 rounds loaded for it. Can't wait to get to the range. I would go with one of the new 22-250 UVF barrels.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2005, 07:38:57 AM »
Rumors like that have the potiential to make all of us very happy. Lets hope we see some of them come true.

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2005, 03:01:01 PM »
The 22-250 is the best all around varmint cartige ever made. Will reach way out there and touch them. Shoots flatter than a 223 and you can still buy ammo for it  almost anywhere.  If you are going for coyote you may want to go with a 55 gr bullet.  The 6mm's are better killers on coyote but dead is dead it may take a few more seconds.

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2005, 01:27:36 PM »
.223 is cheap and will kill a coyote quite handily, no pun intended.  I have killed several coyote with my .223.  I use 60 V-Max Bullets. They go in one side, and turn their insides to jello.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2005, 08:33:08 AM »
well i have the Ultra so that pun dosen't work too well. What scope is likely a better choice? a high powered vari or the fixed 4x or 5x with a .223 BDC?
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2005, 09:55:30 AM »
I have a Handi in 223 BBl and it shoots great.  Everyone knows that past 300yds, a shooter is really pushing the capability for a 223 to take down a large predator.  Sure enough, ground hogs, P-Dogs and smaller varmints don't stand a chance with the 223 pretty much out to 400yds and maybe beyond that.

I have been thinking for a long time about getting a larger caliber for the purpose of taking longer shots at Yotes.  Then a friend of mine took me to his personal 500yd range.

He has made life size yote targets out of steel and placed them at different distances on the range from 100 all the out to 500 yds.  There were two types of targets.  A yote that is facing directly at you and a yote that is broadside to you.

We started off on a roof top on a very stable platform shooting with good rests.  I was pretty good out to 400yds with the rests.  I was hitting the vital areas of the targets with a 223, 243 and a 308.  Used different scope powers from 4x to 16x.  At 450/ 500yds is when I started having a little trouble.  Not much but it was noticable.

OK, the gloves then came off.  The shooting rests, benches, and all the range goodies went aside.  Real huting conditions just went into effect. Sitting with back propped up partially by a roof angle, and shooting off of an unstable support.  I was using my trusty Stoney Point bipod.  100yds- easy.  150yds-kill zones. 200yds-Suprisingly well.  250- Wind was definatly playing and that target is getting small.  300- I was abviuosly reaching my limitation.  350- more misses than hits.  400- Yeah right.  1 hit out of 5 average.  Beyond that all hits were aided by much luck.  I tried all of these ranges with my 223 then repeated with the 243 using everything from 4x-16x  It didn't matter if I was using the 223 or the 243.  It was obvious that I was reaching my limitation at around 250/300 yds.  Do you know how small a broadside Yote really is at 300yds let alone 400 or 500yds? A frontal shot at a yote is even smaller.  These targets were standing still.  They were not moving.  I cannot imagine trying to shoot at a yote past 100/150yds that is slow walking let alone trotting.  It was a very sobering and humbling experience.  And also a very good lesson.  So good as a matter of fact that I had him make me one of those targets that I now practice on shooting at different distances out to 300yds.

The point that I am trying to make here is that in Yote hunting, that dog is almost always moving and usually stops only for very short periods of time.  Not long enough for you to square up you scope with it at 400yds.  at least not me.  My 223 will take ANY predatory dog and varmint at 300 and under that lives in my neck of the woods and pretty much this country.  

I am assuming that the 22-250 is nice until you call in a fox at 50yds.  I have seen a 243 tear up some Yotes more times than not.
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2005, 01:56:24 PM »
so really the max for coyotes is like 300yrds unstable for .223. well no where around here(range asaide) goes much farther than 250yrds so it'd work. And given no 500 yrd shots will be taken a BDC scope is virtually unnessassary, tis better to simply find the ammo's drop from a 100yrd zero. And given a coyotes small size a low 5x may not be enough to line up best on the vitals.
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2005, 02:41:08 PM »
I was doing "OK" hitting the vitals with both the front facing and broadside Yote using only 4x and off the bipod out to 200yds.  I did MUCH better on 6x.  At around 250yds, the front facing yote was getting small but the broadside yote was still good.  I think a fixed 5 or 6x is good for a yote gun.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2005, 12:02:22 PM »
Hello,
   I feel that the .223 would be a very wise choice. I have a .223 bolt rifle that I have been shooting for several years and love it. I got a good deal on some Croatian military ammo and pulled the FMJ bullets, reweighed the powder and pressed in some 50gr. Sierra SBT bullets. They have performed flawlessly. One thing to consider when looking at ammo is the fact that the .223 A.K.A. 5.56x45mm is current NATO issue and therefore brass as well as loaded rounds will be readily available and plentiful for a long time to come. This also is a plus since the round has negligible recoil when shooting all the rounds you care to shoot.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2005, 01:52:39 PM »
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For him it is... since he practices at these yardages...

Your only as good as what you can do in practice...ballistic charts and others recomendations are at best a GUESS...at what you are capable of.

Some folks can bust a yote on the run at 350 yards 9 times out of ten...others can't...the point is...you have to practice...no matter which caliber you take into the field...from all shooting positions you will be using...

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2005, 03:33:58 AM »
well of course thats his capabilities but what i meant was the max distance for the .223 to be effective.
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