Author Topic: .308 or 25-06??? (Read 2088 times)

Rimfirekid1022 · « **on:** September 17, 2005, 05:01:13 PM »

im in a dilemma!! i cant decide what rifle i want to get!! its either between a 25-06 and a .308. the 25-06 would be in a browning a-bolt hunter. and i can't decide what rifle i would get the .308 in but i know if i did get the .308 it would be a tactical rifle between one of the savage 10 FP's or a remington model 40. i know the remingtons are expensive as hell but i know they will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yds out of the box because it is required before they leave the factory. i've heard good things about the savages but im not sure about their accuracy. and i like the look of the remington better also. any info suggestions or experiences with either of the calibers or rifles for that matter would be greatly appreciated! oh ya and also i will be using the rifle for deer out to 400 yards max in the winter and then shooting groups and long range targets during the off season. thanks!!
joseph

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2005, 06:49:14 PM »

For deer and target, I would go with the 25-06 in a Browning A-bolt. Very good long range shooter. JMHO.

Rimfirekid1022 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2005, 03:04:58 AM »

thanks redhawk!! any other suggestions from anybody else??

Ramrod · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2005, 04:52:36 AM »

For long range deer hunting, I vote .25-06 due to flatter trajectory.
For long range target shooting, the .308 probably has an edge. A ton of match grade components for it on the market.
Either will do what you want, but I don't see why anyone needs to take 400 yard shots at deer. It's not hard stalk closer.

jro45 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2005, 05:40:17 AM »

The 26-06 is an excellent deer rifle along with a lot of other rifles.

poncaguy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2005, 06:26:13 AM »

25-06 for deer...........

Rimfirekid1022 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2005, 08:56:51 AM »

thanks everybody! i think ill get the 25-06 and then start savin for the .308 cause its expensive!! oh and by the way can anybody recommend a tactical or police rifle in .308 that will shoot under 1 MOA at 100 yds?? how do the savage law enforcement rifles shoot?? thanks
joseph

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:57:25 AM »

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25-06 for deer...........

Is that a question or comment.

:-D If a 243 will work well on deer a 25-06 will also. :wink:

Lawdog · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:34:55 PM »

Rimfirekid1022,

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i know the remingtons are expensive as hell but i know they will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yds out of the box because it is required before they leave the factory.

Someone has badly misled you. Remington's company standard is any rifle that shoots groups of 4" meets their guideline. Thats straight from Remington. Dont know where you got this or who told you this but it is very wrong, sorry. There are only two companies that give you a guarantee of accuracy and they are Sako/Tikka and Weatherby. The .25-06 is an excellent choice and if you want an accurate out of the box rifle at a reasonable price then go with a Savage. Lawdog

kiwi98j · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:51:25 PM »

I think you are asking a lot of either caliber at 400 yards, especially the 25-06 unless shot placement is optimum. Past 350 yards, the quarter bore has given up so much retained energy that penetration is going to be a problem with hunting bullets. A killing shot at 400 yards is unlikely. The same can be said with the .308 to a lesser extent, although the heavier bullet with better sectional density and superior ballistics will give you a much better chance of making a clean, humane kill versus losing a wounded and suffering animal. The 30-06 would be a even better choice if 400 yard shots are the norm in your hunting environment.

The 25-06 is my favorite deer round but I wouldn't attempt a shot over 300 yards unless conditions are perfect and I've only had 1 cup of coffee.

I'd go with the .308 for the wide selection of cheaper factory loads and to start building my load data for the tactical later on. Spring for a lower priced package Savage in hunter grade package gun vs the A-bolt and invest in a Lee press and dies with the difference.

Rimfirekid1022 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2005, 03:52:08 PM »

lawdog remingtons law enforcement rifles guarantee 1/2 MOA at 100 not their normal 700's or 7's. sorry yall for not makin that clear. 400 yards would be very rare where i hunt. average shots would be about 150 to 250yds. but i like to always prepare for those rare sicheations! i think i have made up my mind on the caliber now. despite what yall said about the 25-06 and which still gonna get but just later on. i think im sonna get the savage model 10 FPLE2A with the chaote stock in .308. i read a couple articles and i think it is amazing the accuracy of these rifles for the price. i read an article from gunblast.com on the rifle where the guy shot a 1/4 MOA 3 shot group at 100 yds and he repeated this many times!! savage says that this model should retail for $684!!! but ive got a friend that knows somebody that knows somebody that robbed somebody so he gets some good deals on guns for me!! just kiddin. we'll just say hes got some connections and he can probably get it for me for less than $500!! thanks for y'alls input and sorry i went against y'alls opinions but ive just sorta fallen for the savage!! but i will still be getting the a-bolt in 25-06 by the end of next year. thanks everybody!!
joseph

Lawdog · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2005, 10:31:18 AM »

Quote from: Rimfirekid1022

lawdog remingtons law enforcement rifles guarantee 1/2 MOA at 100 not their normal 700's or 7's. sorry yall for not makin that clear.

You must be talking about the Remington Model 40 XB from their custom shop.

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The Model 40-XB series of high performance Custom Shop rifles sets the standard for accuracy and like all 40-XB rifles, the new Model 40-XB Tactical is no exception. Chambered in .308 Win, Remington guarantees the Model 40-XB Tactical will deliver 0.75 inch maximum 5-shot groups at 100 yards.

That is the quote from Remington. Tactical rifles are really not hunting rifles. I don't know many huinters that want to pack around 13+/- lbs. of rifle while hunting deer. By the way you can't get a .25-06 in the 40 XB only .308. Lawdog

Rimfirekid1022 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2005, 11:57:20 AM »

thats what it was. 3/4 MOA. sorry bout that i know that the tactical rifles arent practical for deer huntin but when i deer hunt its usually from a shootin house. if i was doin a drive or stalkin or somethin like that i would use my 270 which is very light. i will mainly be target shooting with the rifle but some deer hunting with it in the winter. remember i still am gettin the 25-06 im just getting it after the .308. thanks,
joseph

cal sibley · « **Reply #13 on:** September 28, 2005, 08:33:41 AM »

I have both, a Remington 700DBL in .25-06 and a Browning Micro-medallion in .308Win. Both are excellent handling rifles, but I'm not thrilled with the accuracy of either. I've had both glass bedded, barrel floated and triggers adjusted. Either will come in slightly under an inch, 5 at 100yds. I guess I thought they would group slightly better, around .5" or so, but I guess not. Maybe they just take longer to break in. I just bought them last year. All the manufacturers continue to brag about their superior accuracy, yet my rifles from the '80s coninue to shoot better. I'm hopeful it will get better with time breaking in. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Lawdog · « **Reply #14 on:** September 28, 2005, 10:01:12 AM »

Cal,

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I have both, a Remington 700DBL in .25-06 and a Browning Micro-medallion in .308Win. Both are excellent handling rifles, but I'm not thrilled with the accuracy of either. I've had both glass bedded, barrel floated and triggers adjusted. Either will come in slightly under an inch, 5 at 100yds.

There is nothing wrong with under MOA accuracy. There are many hunters/shooters out there that would love to have rifles that shot so well. Considering what you have done with your rifles so far the next step is to fine tune your loads for optimum accuracy. Play with the powder charge, try different powders, try different bullets and play with the seating depth. You would be surprised at what a 0.10 of a grain of powder(one way or the other) or what difference seating a bullet to 0.01(+/-) can do for accuracy. The next thing you know you will be weighting every charge and even go9ing so far to you start weighting the bullets, sorting them into groups. The hunt for optimum accuracy has no end, even for hunting rifles. Best of all it gives you something to do and keeps you from chasing "wild women". :-D Lawdog

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2005, 06:12:48 PM »

Quote from: Lawdog

... There are only two companies that give you a guarantee of accuracy and they are Sako/Tikka and Weatherby. ...

Add Cooper to your list.

hunt127588 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 29, 2005, 06:20:33 AM »

Lawdog,
Not trying to start an argument here so please don't take it that way. I have read this and that on how bad Remingtons are, etc, etc. Remington may not guarantee .5MOA on their 700 line of rifles. However, go look around some of the tactical boards and look and see what people are accomplishing with a bone stock Remington LTR 700. Granted, this is considered an urban tactical rifle but due to it's short barrel (20 in.) and small(er) HS Precision stock, many are starting to use them for hunting. It makes for a great treestand firearm due to it's length. I have read several that are able to post .5 in. groups @ 100 yds with it. Several Marine Scout snipers can't be doing too bad with them. If you truly want accuracy, then look at Nesika or Surgeon actions.

Remington is like Microsoft...everyone takes aim and bashes you when you're #1.

I'm not even a fan of MS but you gotta give credit where credit is due.

muzzleblast525 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 29, 2005, 06:34:24 AM »

Kid,

Take it from somebody who has a partner that is the lead sniper on the SWAT team and who teaches classes to snipers from all over the State. If he doesn't say it once a day, its usually twice a day or more. The students that come to school tote many variations of guns, including the Remington and the Savage LE gun. Although the Remington might be "prettier" he says the Savage will hold its own, and sometimes better, when shooting downrange. When they shoot the qual course at the end of the school, he dosen't see where one will outshoot the other.

He is looking to buy a Savage, if or when he gets out of SWAT, and the only reason he hasn't done so yet, as we've been to several stores looking, is the department supplies him with his own gun.

Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2005, 09:57:27 AM »

Quote from: hunt127588

Lawdog,
Not trying to start an argument here so please don't take it that way. I have read this and that on how bad Remingtons are, etc, etc. Remington may not guarantee .5MOA on their 700 line of rifles. However, go look around some of the tactical boards and look and see what people are accomplishing with a bone stock Remington LTR 700. Granted, this is considered an urban tactical rifle but due to it's short barrel (20 in.) and small(er) HS Precision stock, many are starting to use them for hunting. It makes for a great treestand firearm due to it's length. I have read several that are able to post .5 in. groups @ 100 yds with it. Several Marine Scout snipers can't be doing too bad with them. If you truly want accuracy, then look at Nesika or Surgeon actions.

No argument but the rifles from Remington's custom shop are not the normal run of the mill rifles from Remington's production line. These are custom rifles and should not be confused with mass production rifles that we are talking about here.

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Remington is like Microsoft...everyone takes aim and bashes you when you're #1. I'm not even a fan of MS but you gotta give credit where credit is due.

No one is bashing Remington. They have earned every negative comment made by ignoring the wants and needs of their customers in favor of how much the next dividend check they are going to be sending to their stockholders. What youre hearing isnt bashing, its hunters/shooters crying about the downfall of a once great firearms company. Remington may be #1 in sales but not in customer satisfaction and in the end thats what really counts. Lawdog

Brithunter · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2005, 11:12:34 AM »

Hi All,

Hmm you say Remington is No1 for sales, well maybe in the US but out of all the folks I know who shoot, I can only recall ONE who certainly has a Remington 700 and that's a VS in .223. Now I can think of plenty who have Sako's, Steyr, Heym and Blaser and of course those of us who are still using BSA's and Parker-Hales.

It's not due to lack of advertising or trying to push the Remington line, heck just about every Gun Magazine you buy has at least one Full page Remington ad, they just don't sell

Winchesters don't do much better and I only know a couple of folks who have a Savage.

AZ223 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2005, 05:50:51 PM »

Quote from: Rimfirekid1022

lawdog remingtons law enforcement rifles guarantee 1/2 MOA at 100 not their normal 700's or 7's. sorry yall for not makin that clear. 400 yards would be very rare where i hunt. average shots would be about 150 to 250yds. but i like to always prepare for those rare sicheations! i think i have made up my mind on the caliber now. despite what yall said about the 25-06 and which still gonna get but just later on. i think im sonna get the savage model 10 FPLE2A with the chaote stock in .308. i read a couple articles and i think it is amazing the accuracy of these rifles for the price. i read an article from gunblast.com on the rifle where the guy shot a 1/4 MOA 3 shot group at 100 yds and he repeated this many times!! savage says that this model should retail for $684!!! but ive got a friend that knows somebody that knows somebody that robbed somebody so he gets some good deals on guns for me!! just kiddin. we'll just say hes got some connections and he can probably get it for me for less than $500!! thanks for y'alls input and sorry i went against y'alls opinions but ive just sorta fallen for the savage!! but i will still be getting the a-bolt in 25-06 by the end of next year. thanks everybody!!
joseph

I may be a bit slow on the draw here, but you can get the LE Savage at Wally World for just a tad under $500; I've had my eye on it too: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2684972
Actually, what I'd like is a lightweight rifle in .30 or .338 caliber with a 26" bull barrel, sub-moa all day long at the bench, laminate stock, and weighs under 8lbs. (with a scope) for easy carry in the hill country. For $500. Maybe that's a subject for another thread? :roll:

Val · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:27:54 AM »

I bought a Savage 110 FP in 25-06 and I'm getting .5" three shot groups. I replaced the factory stock with a Bell and Carlson synthetic stock (a drop in) and it looks and feels better than the factory stock. I also like the accutrigger that the Savage rifles sport.