Author Topic: IS THE REM. 1100 A GOOD DEFENSE SHOTGUN? (Read 1905 times)

coopershooter · « **on:** September 21, 2005, 04:45:22 PM »

I'M LOOKING FOR A 12GA. SHOTGUN FOR HOME DEFENSE. WOULD A REM 1100, BE A GOOD CHOICE? AND WHAT MOD'S WOULD YOU DO?
THANK YOU!

muzzleblast525 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2005, 05:40:50 PM »

Probably so, anything that will sling lead and you know how to operate. Several guys I know have the 870 or the Mossberg that they use.

rockbilly · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2005, 12:10:08 PM »

Given a choice I would take the pump action over the auto but tha 1100 would do. If you go with the 1100, buy a short barrel.

If the shotgun is solely for home defense look at the mossberg, they offer a model "Special Purpose 590 Slide Action" that is fairly cheap. It has a 9 round capicity and 20 inch improved cylinger barrel with sights. You can also find these as a package with a longer barrel too. The Norinco Model 98 is also a good cheap home defense gun.

Jim n Iowa · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2005, 02:46:24 PM »

A 870 short barrel is the gun to go to. I take mine to Alaska. Nothing wrong with the 1100. I keep mine handy in the BR, 20 ga/#3 buck/skeet barrel. The big problem is people over clean them (to much oil) or never clean them (o-rings rot). They are a great weapon but need attention.
Jim

coopershooter · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2005, 02:40:52 AM »

thanks guys! i had an 1100 back in the day, and it was reliable. but it needed a few more shells, so an extended mag. would get put on. i like pump guns too, but when i get in a hurry, i short pump the gun.
i used to shoot action shotgun at the local range i lived by. most of those guys used 1100,s and they were all suprisingly reliable. most had long mag,s and speed spoons installed. i always thought that if it was modified this way, an 1100 would be a good friend at a bad time!

BillP · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2006, 05:08:34 PM »

The idea that pump shotguns are more reliable then well cared for semi-autos is fiction. "Short shucking" is only one of the problems. In much of the country any shotgun with less than a 3" chamber is discounted in the used market, so since 2 3/4" is plennty for defensive purposes, you can get an 1100 Rem. at a reasonable price.

dukkillr · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2006, 05:54:17 PM »

1100 is not a good defense shotgun. It is less reliable than any auto on teh market today and significantly less reliable than any pump.

coopershooter · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2006, 04:39:52 PM »

ok? so what auto is the most reliable? i like pumps, but i'm interested in an auto.
thanks for your help!
COOPERSHOOTER

dukkillr · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2006, 06:36:17 PM »

benelli/beretta...

i wouldnt trust my life to an auto but if i had to, it would be one of them.

K.K. · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2006, 10:59:37 PM »

The 1100 is a very reliable hunting shotgun, but for home defense, I'd go with the 870. You simply can't kill 'em.

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2006, 06:15:41 AM »

Someone can correct me on this, because I could be wong. For years and through 2 world wars the military and police used Winchester Model 12s 97s and a smattering of other pumps including the ithica.

Eventually they changed to the 870.

Now I believe they are using benellis. I think it's significant that they use autos now. I also think the type of use has changed... i know if i was spending 24 hours in the bottom of a muddy trench or hole I wouldn't want any kind of auto.

kyote · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2006, 12:56:52 PM »

yep,I would say it was a good home security system.But, only if it was set up right.I don't believe a 30 inch full choke would be the best choice in the scatter gun class.
but if it's all ya had..then it would be your best.

Ocsamschainsaw · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2006, 01:12:00 PM »

Yow.
Anything 12 gauge would work for me, but I'd make sure you can maneuver yourself around your house in the dark at 3 am in your underpants with it..
because..that's when they're gonna come in. Short barrel, anyone?

rockbilly · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2006, 03:43:45 PM »

I have a Mossberg 590 that goes every place with me. I keep it the truck when on the road, and when I pull into a camp ground or roadside park at night it goes to bed in the fifth wheel with me. I also carry a pistol, but 2am, in my drawers, and still half asleep I feel safer with the 12 gauge if I have to face someone. Nine rounds of 00 buck speaks with authority..........

slink · « **Reply #14 on:** April 16, 2006, 04:11:25 PM »

much less fire it. If you do so, your odds of going to prison and/or getting your butt sued off are quite high. This is especially true if you are not in your own home when you fire. Any longarm is a real clunk when you are in bed. I'll take a pistol when on the road, any day, especially when sleeping. I can snap it and the flashlight around a LOT faster than I can any longarm, while lying in bed, get out of bed faster with it, etc. I can also secure and conceal it a LOT easier, in any vehicle. Nowadays, getting seen with a gun often means big trouble. The pistol can be inside a hollowed out book, or any of a dozen places-things that will never be discovered, even with a diligent search.

coopershooter · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2006, 10:55:58 PM »

thats why i said (home defense) for my home!
any way, i bought an 870 with a 20 inch barrel with sights.

K.K · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2006, 04:52:28 AM »

That will definitely do the job!

slink · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2006, 06:51:29 AM »

It MIGHT suffice, IF you can get to it in time, IF leaving it lay around doesn't get it stolen, etc, and if you know how to employ it tactically, (which aint likely) if you are fast enough when the time comes, if you also wear electronic, stereo earmuffs, have night sights, know how to employ a light with the gun, have flexcuffs looped up and ready, etc, etc, etc, none of which is at all likely.

coopershooter · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2006, 01:05:18 PM »

slink.....
your a ray of sunshine! sounds like you know what your talking about. im glad you could straighten me out. as im not swat trained, do you suggest i cross my fingers?
coopershooter

slink · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2006, 01:25:13 PM »

Carry a good pocket auto, in a good Kydex front pants pocket rig, with Velcro holding the rig in the pocket, with good ammo in it (corbons) and practice-train a lot. Get some hand to hand training as well, so you can "buy" enough time and space to bring the gun "into play". Any time you smell a rat or enter a possibly-dangerous place or time, put your hand on the gun, still in the pocket, in a firing grip, and watch your back.

DEPUTY · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2006, 11:21:59 PM »

Slink.

your warned.

:twisted:

coopershooter · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2006, 11:32:04 PM »

i have my cwp for out of the house, and carry a small auto pistol. the shotgun is for the house. i used to shoot shotgun action matches. it was fun practice. my local range has nothing like that. it,s a shame.
thanks!
coopershooter.

slink · « **Reply #22 on:** April 19, 2006, 05:08:11 AM »

Guys just think that they are, that's all. The "need" of more power than a pistol has is very, very unlikely to be your case. Over 90% of the time, the attacker will back down from your (ready) pistol, if you get it "on" him in time for him to see it and flee. The pistol is many times more likely to be there for you (in time) even in the home. If you had 5 seconds in which to run and get a gun, why not just run up and twist the guy's head off? If you can't do that, you probably can't run and get a gun, either.

coopershooter · « **Reply #23 on:** April 19, 2006, 11:58:32 AM »

i dont know how to twist somebodys head off! you watch too much tv! can you twist a guy's head off?
what kind of training do you have? mil. or le? is this your opinion or do you have training to back up the things you say are true?
i'm always willing to listen to some one with experience

slink · « **Reply #24 on:** April 19, 2006, 01:04:22 PM »

and actually grab his head. Altho I did mean it as a figure of speech, to show how silly the idea is of running to GET a gun, as vs merely having to make a 1/2 second draw of a gun you are WEARING.

What you do is get one hand on the back-top of his head, the other hand under his chin. Pull the rearward hand towards you and down. Thrust up and away from you with the near hand. His neck is strong against EITHER up or down OR rotational movment, but has no strength when the head is BOTH lifted AND twisted. This twist can be done either slowly enough to throw him without much risk of injury, or so swiftly that his spine is broken, and he collapses in your arms.

slink · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2006, 01:09:28 PM »

and actually grab his head. Altho I did mean it as a figure of speech, to show how silly the idea is of running to GET a gun, as vs merely having to make a 1/2 second draw of a gun you are WEARING.

What you do is get one hand on the back-top of his head, the other hand under his chin. Pull the rearward hand towards you and down. Thrust up and away from you with the near hand. His neck is strong against EITHER up or down OR rotational movment, but has no strength when the head is BOTH lifted AND twisted. This twist can be done either slowly enough to throw him without much risk of injury, or so swiftly that his spine is broken, and he collapses in your arms.

In 5 whole seconds, men run 50 yd dashes, did you know that? It takes about 1.5 seconds to cover the distance of nearly any room in a home. It takes maybe 1 more second to get past most people's blows and defense, and grab their head as above. If all I wanted to do was smash the guy, I could take 3 steps, launch a flying kick to the chest, cave in his ribcage-sternum, from 20 ft away, in less than 2 seconds. No, I'm not kidding, and any real black belt in a jumpkicking style can prove this to you. Some can do it in 1.5 seconds, too. From 10 ft away (the statistical outside range of justifiable civilian self defense) it can be done in less than one second flat. You only need one step, and the great masters can do this kick from 10 ft away, while taking no steps at all.

It's just a question of having a leg that's 3 ft long, and being able to standing broadjump 7 ft. The top men can standing broadjump 9 ft. Did you know that? :-)

S.S. · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2006, 07:40:19 AM »

Here we go again.
If you really want to have some fun, Go to all the other forums and read the wisdom of this guy there too! The entertainment value alone is worth the time :-D :-D :-D

coopershooter · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2006, 11:54:20 AM »

if he knows so much, why cant he answer any of my questions? they were very clear!

slink · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:17:02 PM »

Where do you think that the FIRST instructors got their ability, hmm? handed down from Buddha in the temple? I learned on my own, something you would never even consider doing. I trained in MooDukKwan in Korea, under 5th Dan Moon Hho Kun. I shot my way to top Twenty in the World, IPSC, in 1977, having taught myself, along with learning a bit from Cooper's early books, and from mag articles here and there. I was at the Columbia Conference, when we set up the IPSC, in 1976. Where were you, hmm?

coopershooter · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2006, 02:57:07 PM »

why do you say i would never try to learn on my own?
i asked about an 1100 shotgun for home protection. not your opinion on weather i should use the shotgun, or a pistol! you have talked about everything else under the sun! if you have any first hand experience with a remington 1100 auto shotgun, as a home protection gun. by all means enlighten us with your wisdom, but if you dont, thanks for all of the other information, that i didn't ask for!
as for pistols, i have shot both the pistol and shotgun action matches. i'm not a world champion pistol shot! i'll take my chances with a shotgun or properly set up carbine, as jeff cooper would have it.
thanks.