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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2005, 04:44:50 PM »
260 Remington.  I had one in a Browning A-Bolt and sold it off to sfupport my Handi habit.  Loved the caliber, hated the gun.  And a 405 Winchester, to fall in between the 38-55 and 45-70.

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2005, 06:27:09 PM »
Here's my modest list:

1. .30-06 UltraComp...No, wait! They USED to make that, didn't they?? And I still want one... :cry:
2. .35 Whelen
3. .338-06 (Can you tell I like '06?)
4. Design a new receiver that will handle some of the magnum cartidges out there, and start with 7mm Mag, .338 Mag, and .375 H&H.
5. Ditto Mac's suggestion to offer 26" Ultra barrels in all centerfire calibers.
6. Do whatever changes/additions they can WITHOUT drastically increasing prices.

I can see why they may not want to handle the Mags for a while; if they offer them in the same basic configuration, you could have people trying to swap Mag barrels on older receivers. They'd have to do some major retooling and engineering to avoid that, and that'd be tough to do while keeping overall prices down at the same time. Oh, heck, I want it anyway!  :lol:
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2005, 02:27:22 AM »
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I have only seen very small carbines, like the Kel-Tec and Hi-Point semi auto models. Never in a bolt or single shot.


In england enfields converted to pistol calibers were pretty popular i've seen a few sold on gunbroker from 9mm up to 50 AE.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2005, 04:13:07 AM »
AZ223, In case your interested I think they may still have some 30-06 Comp barrels at the factory. Several of us got them just a few months ago. Good Luck....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2005, 05:01:42 AM »
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 I don't think anyone has ever made a 9mm or a 45ACP in a rifle configuration. I could be wrong.


My Marlin 45 ACP Camp Carbine has been a lot of fun to shoot. And it shares magazines with my 1911s. But....would love to have a Handi 45 ACP.

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2005, 05:39:15 AM »
I had the Camp 9 9mm Marlin up until a few months ago.  It was a hoot to shoot.  Used same mags as my 459 S&W handgun..


..and for most of the wishlist cartridges, ....where theres a reamer, theres a way.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2005, 05:51:23 AM »
I'll have to agree with the 9mm and 45 acp.

I would really like to see a 26" fluted 270. I wouldn't mind seeing the 375-06.  

And Octagon barrels on the BC and Target model. (40-65)
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2005, 06:04:47 AM »
1. .300 Win mag
2. 7.62R
3. ....30 Carbine (not sure if its offered or not)
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2005, 06:05:00 AM »
Just reviewing posts, the 35 Whelen, 6.5x55/260 and the 45acp seem to be popular.....Me, I would love to have a 6.5x55 or 260 with a 24" barrel....to me this is the perfect deer rifle to start my granddaughter on.  Started her dad on a.223 when we lived in Louisiana and every round he shot produced a deer for the freezer.

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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2005, 06:30:05 AM »
Most of these have been listed, but here's what I want (in order of priority):

1.  .303 Brit;
2.  .303 Brit;
3.  .303 Brit (H&R have you gotten the hint yet??);
4.  .45 ACP;
5.  .225 Win;
6.  7-30 Waters;
7.  9mm; and
8.  .444 Marlin (I know this previously was offered).
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2005, 07:23:33 AM »
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Quote from: myarmor

 I don't think anyone has ever made a 9mm or a 45ACP in a rifle configuration. I could be wrong.


My Marlin 45 ACP Camp Carbine has been a lot of fun to shoot. And it shares magazines with my 1911s. But....would love to have a Handi 45 ACP.

Wally


Once again, you make me envious Wally ... I have only seen ONE of those up close.  Someone was trading it in at Big Bear and I just didn't have the money ... wanna trade for a handi in 357  :-D  :-D ??
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2005, 07:25:42 AM »
A .223 Rem Ultra with a 1 in 9" twist barrel.

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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2005, 07:36:51 AM »
Let's see
.32 auto
.45auto
.40/10mm auto
.45Long Colt
8mm mauser
Thanks for the 7.62x.39
.458 Win Mag.

Yes I really think the .32auto would make a heck of a squirrel round. maybe I should check up on the 32-20(is it).

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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2005, 08:20:35 AM »
Anything made in Eastern Oklahoma. :D

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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2005, 12:34:29 PM »
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 I don't think anyone has ever made a 9mm or a 45ACP in a rifle configuration. I could be wrong.


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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2005, 04:03:47 PM »
Ok let me clear up what carbines I have seen in a 9mm or 45ACP. I have yet to see a bolt action or single shot rifle in one of these pistol cartridges. That's just what I have ever personally seen, I'm not saying it's a fact that someone hasn't. I'd love to see it.
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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2005, 04:24:08 PM »
I bought this nib and its a hoot! :grin:


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« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2005, 02:28:17 AM »
1/   303 brit
2/   44/40
3/   32/20
4/   45acp
5/   9x19mm
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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2005, 02:47:25 AM »
    *7-30 Waters
    *460 S&W Mag
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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2005, 03:04:18 AM »
the ability to get from factory schilen barrels as a custom acc.  love the feel of gun have had bad luck with barrel quality.  as we type & read i'm having a schilen match grade barrel in 30-30ai put on a handi after going thru two rechambers trying to clean up chamber.

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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2005, 06:51:20 AM »
Call me crazy but what I'd love to get are two Huntsman barrels without the breach plug machined, just straight rifled from one end to the other.  Next step would be chambering them in 577/500 #2 Black Powder Express and 500 BPE.  That would be a HOOT!

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2005, 09:39:51 AM »
Rimmed cartridges - 30-40 Krag & 348 Win.
Rimless cartridges  -  7 x 57 Mauser & 338/06
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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2005, 03:13:17 PM »
I hate to dim your lights but here is what I think.
 
The retail price for the average Handi let us say is $225.
The retailer will get 30% say $67.  He buys the rifle from the distributor for  $158.

The distributor takes 30% for overhead and profit $47. The distributor buys the rifle from the factory $111.

The factory needs at least 50% of this money for overhead, general expenses, inventory, assembly, shipping and receiving.
That leaves $55 the shareholders will want at least $5 or more for each gun.

So here we go $50 to produce the rifle. To make that cost, most of the work is let out to subcontractors, like barrels, underlugs
investment castings of actions, triggers, hammers, latches, springs and other small parts. In order to stay in business they must keep down inventory and manual labor to a minimum.  To get the best prices on parts only large quantities of the same size and shape will get the lowest price. I can see a special run of a certain caliber being made if there is a commitment from the distributor. He is the one who has to lay his money on the line.

With an operation to produce a low cost rifle, too many calibers and options would overwhelm the idea. For instance an express three leaf sight would not be economical to produce, and how many of the Handi buyers, that count nickels and dimes, would spent $250 on an express sight? To add a Shilen match barrel and a custom chamber would be $265 for the barrel plus another $150 for the custom chamber. Any one spending that kind of money would want a platform other than a Handi. But then there might be fellows that would do that, but how many?

The above is perhaps not exactly what goes on at H&R, but it is fairly accurate in principle. I think you guys better hold your breath about getting your wish list filled. Why would H&R even consider making an obsolete 303Brit? Even though it is well suited for a single shot, but there is very little market for a 303.Brit? You can hardly find any bullets for this caliber. But if you want one the 7.62x39 with the .311bore is easy to rechamber. How many are buying the 7.62x39? The only way that I can see, if you want something special, is to get a suitable existing rifle rebored and pay for the modification.  

The next serious question is how much quality control can H&R afford within their budget? With all due respects it is an amazing achievement that the rifles look and shoot as well as they do for the price they sell for. The rifle and action and trigger designs are a marvel of American gun making engineering. Yes they could be made better, but-----------? To add 2 hours hand labor to the cost would nearly double the price of the rifle. Would you still buy it?
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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2005, 07:50:56 PM »
Fred:

Your most likely correct in your assessment of the overhead and labor involed from a per gun basis,but your breakdown on the cost and dealers prices is way off...the markup isn't as high as you think on them........The whole issue isn't what they will produce..but what we would like to see them produce.Most of the things asked for..like my express site for instance...can be made cheaper if produced in larger numbers..and since N.E.C.G. is already making them...they could be offered for a accessory...and yes...the cost would be around $100 dollars for one set...but..I've seen higher priced peep sites as well.....Match barrels...not very likely...it would make the Handi''s more expensive than the Rugers...and wouldn't fly...but it is a nice thought...As to chambering obscure calibers?...one just has to look a t how they came up with the idea of chambering the 7.62x39 and the 500 S&W...from what I was told it was by some polling company back east...and that's what they based it on.Adding an additional 2 or 3 employeee's to the fit & finish line...wouldn't be out of the question for NEF...and since they are doing the checkering by hand already...it wouldn't take to much for them to take an additional step towards polishing and honing the actions and barrels...on certain guns...they partially do this already when requested in writting... when one is returned to them for a trigger job and additional barrels...

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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2005, 08:23:04 AM »
Well Mac I hear what you are saying.

Yes I was a bit high on the mark up it is 25% instead of 30. Just dug up the 2005 dealers price list I got at the Shot Show. Don't know what the distributer mark up is but 25% sounds ok for them too.

Walmart is buying from a distributer and in Canada there is one in Montreal all Handis come from there. So that leaves a bit more gravy for H&R.

One thing for sure H&R cost has to be fixed and there is little fat left for trimming. I don't think they can afford to put an extra 2 hours of labor to each gun. They have to compete with the overseas slave labor. Besides the rifles shoot well enough for the intended market.

The Ruskies make that SS rifle and what a piece of crap that is, but they are cheap and snipe at the H&R. Shame on Remington to import such garbage.

If you take a real close look at the Ultra checkering you will see that the checkering is done with high speed cutters and a template. Look at the corners of the border you see the very small radius where the pointed cutter turned. This is a very fast process and requires little skill.

Mind you these cutting machines are operated by manual labor, so you could call it hand checkering. With their ingenuity I would not be surprised if the checkering is done completely automatic. I say this because the panels are quite flat.

I am not saying that it wouldn't nice to have all the wish list filled.
Ah, for all the good old American calibers they come out with a Rusky to shoot Chinese ammo, that is disgusting. The 30 carbine would have made more sense.
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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2005, 06:22:17 PM »
Fred:

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The 30 carbine would have made more sense.


Now...that would be a good one to have... :toast:

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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2005, 10:56:55 PM »
Just thought I'd point out another 45 ACP Carbine on the market. This is the Baretta Storm, which is available in 45 ACP. The Storm might look familiar to anyone who has see the BattleStar Galactica series on TV. This is one of the carbines they are using as props for their ground forces.

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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2005, 07:25:08 AM »
I know it is unrealistic and will never happen, but I would like to see H&R make the following...

300 RUM
300 H&H
45-110

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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2005, 09:04:05 AM »
Yes, I would like to see some Heavier calibers made for big game.  Right now H&R has a very good selection of calibers for small and medium sized game.  By that I mean Varmits up thru Elk and Black Bear.  They do not make anything for really big game like Moose, Grizzly/Brown Bear, or our free ranging Buffalo.  Although I have taken Moose with my 30-06 Handi, I would not recommend it for the average hunter.  I've seen too many Moose lost to the 06.  I will not use the 30-06 for Grizzlies.  

    They need to stay away from the belted magnums.  T/C made barrels for the belted cases and I have problems with loading them into the gun.  The belt hangs up on the extractor, and when you push harder to get it past the belt, sometimes the whole case passes the extractor.  This cartridge must be repositioned so the extractor is in the proper groove  before the gun will close.  Sometimes this requires taking the barrel off and using a cleaning rod to push the cartridge out of the chamber.  

    The .35 Whelen, or the .338-06, would fill this nitch well.  I personally like the .35 Whelen, and with proper loading it can match .338 Win Mag factory loads.
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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2005, 02:09:05 PM »
6.5x55 swede and/or 6.5-'06