Author Topic: williams fp sight for buff classic (Read 7117 times)

lonewolf5348 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:45:10 PM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/THOMPSON-CENTER-MUZZLELOADER-FRONT-SIGHT-7748_W0QQitemZ120395534154QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Hunting?hash=item120395534154&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
I use this front sight on the 38-55 B.C. with the williams FP peep sight
This front sight will also work excellent with the factory peep that comes on the B.C. should get you to 150+ yards without any problems

MSP Ret · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2009, 08:46:31 AM »

Thanks to Don_K and to all others as well. I will have to get on the stick and order a .494 front sight for my Buff Classic....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2009, 09:15:14 AM »

H&R lists the 38-55 Target front sight as part#R03020 $30.90, me thinks maybe I'm missing a page, they list the BC carbine front sight, but none for the BC, Track sells the .494" for a little less.

Tim

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(4ysl3zbyemliifyrkbhrx2mh))/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=763&partNum=FS-17-AML

Buster95 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2009, 01:19:29 PM »

I just received a reply from Lyman and they said I need the 17AUG for my BC the 17AUG is the .584 here is a copy of the email

"We do ship to Canada. for the rear of your H&R buffalo classic you would
need a Williams sight and our 17AUG for the front sight. contact
www.williamsgunsight.com

Lyman customer service
----- Original Message -----
From: <vilaincoco@videotron.ca>
To: <custsvc@cshore.com>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Lyman Contact Form"

Hmmm

Buster95 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:15:22 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on March 24, 2009, 08:46:31 AM

Thanks to Don_K and to all others as well. I will have to get on the stick and order a .494 front sight for my Buff Classic....<><....

I just ordered one from Buffalo Arms.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:50:47 PM »

You guys got me looking at front sights again, I've always wanted one that's windage adjustable with spirit level, so I browsed Track's sights whilst there yesterday, found this one and ordered it, should work great with the Smith sight which is pretty much fixed for windage adjustment.

Tim

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(mhogtk2jqyfzyr455k00ihme))/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=763&partNum=FS-DP-SPIRIT

brianscott12 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:48:17 PM »

What year were these tall frnt sights installed, and are they still doing this.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:57:27 PM »

You mean what years!

Several years, it didn't happen just one year, there are lots of complaints on it, mine is a 2003.

Tim

Buster95 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:57:58 PM »

Mine is a 2008.

Don_K · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:16:50 PM »

Quick,
The front sight is cool although a bit pricey. It looks well built and is probably worth it. I'm going to have more money in the sights than I do in the rifle!
BTW My rifle is a 2007 and has the .584 front sight. H&R seems to get the front sight height incorrect quite often. If you'll remember last year I'm the one that they put a 22 Hornet front sight on a 357 mag barrel. You saw the pics I posted and said "That's a Hornet sight"!! You guessed right. I called them and they sent the correct one right out to me. - Don

Chas. · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:17:26 PM »

Quote from: Don_K on March 25, 2009, 03:16:50 PM

H&R seems to get the front sight height incorrect quite often.

The problem is, they don't know they're putting the wrong sight on. Before I ordered a new front sight last month, I called H&R and told the tech that I had the .584 and it shoots low. I asked if that was the correct sight and he told me it was. I asked if they had a lower front sight and he referred me to Midway. No help from H&R. If it shot the required 2 MOA during testing, they must test with tiny little bullets.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:24:02 PM »

Yeah, I dunno if they run out of the .494" sight, or just mix em up, but it's frustrating, same for the Hornet and 357 sights. $:-\$

The Pedersoli sight I posted is about entry level pricing for that type of sight, there are a bunch of sights that are similar but much more expensive.

Tim

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,3761.html

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4098.html

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(aioh4q3peg52khmp32rosfqr))/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=763&partNum=FS-SHARPS-18-375

brianscott12 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:40:33 PM »

Tim, is there any way to tell which site you have without wasting ammo or using a micrometer?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:21:06 PM »

.494" is slightly less than ½", .584" is well over ½", measure from the bottom of the sight to the center of the globe just like Buster's pic shows.

Tim

mitch132 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 26, 2009, 02:19:37 PM »

The 2006 model Buffalo Classic I just bought also has the .584" front sight. Seems to be a VERY common screw up on H&R's part.

brianscott12 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:09:28 PM »

584, dang it, is there any thing h r will do?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #46 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:42:34 PM »

You can call and ask em, but they don't offer the .404" which is the best choice if you want to shoot long range, whether they actually have the .494" or not, I dunno, it's not listed on the parts list, but I suspect I may be missing a page, there's no front sight listed for the BC, just the Target and the Carbine, I've asked the H&R/Marlin/Remington rep to check it and send it to me if so, but he's in Ilion this week, he has to wait until he gets back to Madison.

Tim

dodd3 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:59:14 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on March 25, 2009, 12:50:47 PM

You guys got me looking at front sights again, I've always wanted one that's windage adjustable with spirit level, so I browsed Track's sights whilst there yesterday, found this one and ordered it, should work great with the Smith sight which is pretty much fixed for windage adjustment.

Tim

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(mhogtk2jqyfzyr455k00ihme))/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=763&partNum=FS-DP-SPIRIT

tim that sight is as tall as the .584 lyman as all pedersoli sizes are from the top of the dovetail not from the bottom like lyman,a pal has one on his pedersoli sharps they are a tall sight
bernie
USA 426
Spirit level tunnel sight with micrometer adjustment for windage equipped with twelve interchangeable inserts (USA 425). Dovetail base: 3/8” (9,5 mm)x 30° - H .492” (12,5 mm).

Chas. · « **Reply #48 on:** March 27, 2009, 03:49:57 AM »

Quote from: brianscott12 on March 26, 2009, 03:09:28 PM

584, dang it, is there any thing h r will do?

Answered previously in this same thread. Good luck!!!!!

Quote from: Chas. on March 25, 2009, 04:17:26 PM

Quote from: Don_K on March 25, 2009, 03:16:50 PM
H&R seems to get the front sight height incorrect quite often.

The problem is, they don't know they're putting the wrong sight on. Before I ordered a new front sight last month, I called H&R and told the tech that I had the .584 and it shoots low. I asked if that was the correct sight and he told me it was. I asked if they had a lower front sight and he referred me to Midway. No help from H&R. If it shot the required 2 MOA during testing, they must test with tiny little bullets.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #49 on:** March 27, 2009, 05:24:38 AM »

Quote from: dodd3 on March 27, 2009, 02:59:14 AM

tim that sight is as tall as the .584 lyman as all pedersoli sizes are from the top of the dovetail not from the bottom like lyman,a pal has one on his pedersoli sharps they are a tall sight
bernie
USA 426
Spirit level tunnel sight with micrometer adjustment for windage equipped with twelve interchangeable inserts (USA 425). Dovetail base: 3/8” (9,5 mm)x 30° - H .492” (12,5 mm).

Bernie, it's for my 38-55 Target, so that makes it even better, I was kinda worried it might be too low.

Tim

brianscott12 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:26:43 AM »

Can you shoot short range as well as long with the .404?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #51 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:31:20 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on March 23, 2009, 01:57:49 PM

With the FP-TK bottomed out, 405gr rounds at 1600fps hit 1½ high at 100yds.

Tim

brianscott12 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:42:45 AM »

Thanks Tim, I'll take that into account when I go bout tryin to get one.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #53 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:57:36 AM »

My Buff Classic is a Wesson & Harrington so I cannot tell the year from the serial number prefix (they all begin WH). It also has a .584 front sight on it. Unfortunately during the move out of Gardner it seems many records (and much knowledge and expierence) were lost or misplaced....<><....

Kbis · « **Reply #54 on:** March 27, 2009, 01:52:02 PM »

I hate to detract from the talk about front sights but The original post showed a pic of a Williams FP sight with a 3rd adjustable screw on the side of the sight. I believe dodd3 called it an "angular locking bushing screw". I have the same sight on my 38-55 but without the hand adjustable screw. Does anyone know anything that screw, can it be ordered from Williams???

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #55 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:05:37 PM »

BROWNELLS has them also.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #56 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:46:14 PM »

It pays to read the entire thread.

Tim

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 27, 2007, 04:00:05 PM

Williams has the set screw with a knob on it, Brownell's sells it for $8.50, part #962-000-079.

Tim

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=18439&st=foolproof%20TK%20long%20elevation&s=

Kbis · « **Reply #57 on:** March 27, 2009, 04:52:00 PM »

Sorry , but I thought I had read all the theads, I guess I missed the one about the third knob. Won't let it happen again.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2009, 03:27:17 AM »

Oh heck Kbis, don't worry about doing that again, most of have done the same thing or made some sort of mistake, at least those of us that are human and make mistakes...Just do your best and have fun and you will be just like the rest of us here. And by the way, welcome aboard!!...<><....

Kbis · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2009, 05:49:59 AM »

MSP Ret- Thanks for the welcome, actually I am a hold over from the old H&R forum. Tried to join Gray Beards Form long ago but password/name got screwed up so I gave up in frustration.