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Offline while99

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M1 Garand or M1A?
« on: September 25, 2005, 07:10:33 PM »
I have an opportunity to buy either a M1 Garand .30/06 or a Springfield Armory M1A in 7.62 NATO and need to know the pros and cons of each type of rifle.  I can't afford to buy both.  I looked through this forum rather quickly and didn't see where anybody had posted this question previously but I may have missed it.  Here's your chance to help me spend my money.

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2005, 08:39:07 PM »
Howdy!

I've owned and shot both the M1 and M1A extensively in the last 20 or so years.  I formerly shot military service rifle competition and have the following to say:

The .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO cartridge is inherently more accurate than the .30-06 in service ammunition.  The reasons are many, but the shorter case and powder column, and 1-in-12 inch twist rate are two of them.  Both can use the same highly developed .30 match quality bullets and powders.  Both have great military match quality cases and comparable civilian ammo components available.  Both military designs are basically limited to service grade ammunition for velocity, pressure, and bullet weights.  Using bullets too heavy or light for the caliber overstresses the actions or reduces reliability.  Both use the same quality micrometer rear sight, and both have available "national match" components and accuracy enhancing modifications to make them shoot better.

The M1A with its shorter gas cutoff system gives better accuracy than the long operating rod gas system of the M1.  That is not to say that the M1 is not as accurate, it certainly CAN be, but in service grade rifles, the M14 (military M1A) is generally more accurate than a service grade M1.  The military chrome plated M1A barrels makes maintenance a breeze.  Both rifles should shoot into 1 1/2" to 2" groups at 100 yards using factory ammunition.  Accurized rifles will consistently shoot smaller groups than this with quality ammunition.

The en-bloc 8 round clip of the M1 is a pain for changing ammunition or refilling a partial magazine.  The 20 round box of the M1A more convenient but heavier and bulkier.

The M1A is slightly shorter (22" barrel and shorter receiver) than the M1 with it's 24" barrel and longer receiver.  Weights are fairly close for comparable density wood stocks.

The M1 take down system basically makes accuracy retention more difficult: metal clamps down on wood to secure the action in the stock.  The M1A take down system clamps metal down on metal to secure the action in the stock.  In match grade rifles, neither action should be routinely taken down.

Cleaning and maintenance tools and accessories are widely available for both.  Commercial copies of the M1 and M1A are available, but only the M1 can be 100% original military.  M1A receivers are commercially made and assembled with military surplus parts to make complete rifles.

If WWII battle re-enactments are important to you, the M1 wins.  If owning and using the last honest-to-god steel and wood service rifle is important to you, the M1A wins.  Military match armourers still work on civilian produced M1A rifles, and some outstanding shooters use them.

Either rifle is sure to delight you with it classic lines and old fashioned quality of construction and accuracy.  Which one to buy?  If affordable 7.62x51 military surplus ammunition is important, the M1A is probably the better choice.  If a classic battle rifle made by a WWII or Korean War manufacturer is important, the M1 Garand is.

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John

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2005, 02:14:31 AM »
The only thing on the down side is SpringField Armory is having quality problems so you may or may not get a good one.  You may have to send it back to be corrected.  I have heard of some of these shooting off like 12" but they did correct it. Some have sent their M1a's back twice till it was right too.  With the $1,200 price tag and its quality is questionable too. I was advised to get a Fulton Armory M1a it may cost a little more but it a better quality gun over the springfield armory.

Some have even sent their new SA M1a's out to have the barrels changed to make them accurate too it just depends on what you will accept and how much your willing to pay to make it right.

I went with the Saiga in 308win/nato and with its 16" barrel she will shoot 1 1/2" MOA at 100yds for its $307 OTD price tag and has the quality, dependability and reliability of an AK47.  I'm still chomping at the bit to get an M1a but the $1,200 price tag and the quality problems just doesn't seem cost effective right now to me. I may wait to find a fulton armory m1a.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2005, 04:22:32 AM »
I have shot and owned both and would have to agree with John.  Also suplus 7.62 Nato ammo is more readily available in different flavors than is surplus 30-06.  

I have owned 2 M1a Springfields.  One a post ban from 1994 which was purchased and tossed in a gun safe as an investment by the person I bought it from.  He never shot it.  It has functioned flawlessly.

The second one is a preban from 1980's I beleive.  This one was shot very little and stuck in the back of safe for the last 20 years or so, then I purchased it.  I had the extractor come apart on it and after a little searching and found the SA had a recall due to bolt issues.  It was returned to the factory and they replaced the bolt/extractor/ejector/springs (extractor & ejector I beleive)/Op-rod and returned it after test firing at no charge for any of the work done or the return shipping.  2 week turn around also, heck my local gunsmith cannot turn guns that quick.  This was on a 20+ year old rifle.  Have put a few hundred rounds thru it with no problems todate with this rifle.  I would buy another one of their rifles without hesitation.  

A buddy talked me out of the post ban and I sold the garand, but still have the preban M1a by SA.  

Hope this helps...

DonT :D

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2005, 04:29:28 AM »
I have both and carried the Garand in Korea,I would recommend the MIA though as the round is as accurate as the 06 but the weapon is Magazine feed.Many times we had to fake a empty MI with a empty Clip from the MI ,the ping can never be forgotten and fool a enemy.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2005, 03:27:36 AM »
I ordered a surplup thru my dealer a while back and when it came in we went to his range to test it before accepting it(49/56 in 308) he took along a M14 in select-fire too.  What a hoot to shoot in full auto but the barrel rise was uncontrollable at first but on the second blast I was able to keep it down a little better but it did send some 308 down range quickly. In semi-auto mode it was nice to shoot too a little bulky over my 49/56 but nice its a different horse to ride but still 308.