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Handi accuracy out of the box
« on: September 26, 2005, 02:19:59 PM »
Hello guys and gals!  I need a deer rifle for myself and kids, considering a Handi Rifle, but don't have alot of time before the season to break the barrel in or lap, etc.  What would be a good choice for a rifle that shoots well enough without alot of prep?  Kids will shoot .223, .243, and 30-30, shots from 50-200, scope or no scope, they shoot well.

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2005, 02:31:58 PM »
Out of the three calibers you mentioned, I would recommend only the 30-30. I've had too many issues with the other calibers.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2005, 02:33:44 PM »
:D , Welcome aboard redhawksixsh. The 30-30 would be my choice of the bunch you mentioned but if I could pick from the available offerings from H&R/NEF and wanted to go out to 200 yards without increasing recoil but maintaining accuracy and enough power for deer sized game I would choose the 7mm-08. Out to 150 yards or so the 30-30 would be fine. Good luck....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 02:53:57 PM »
welcome to GBO forums Redhawksixsh. alot depends on where you are hunting. Central tex a 243 is good. Those deer are not much bigger than a good sized jack rabbit. I have killed more deer with a 222 rem. than
 any larger calibers. I would say 7-08 would be a good one.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 03:04:11 PM »
The only one I saw I would have difficulty with is the 223. It ain't no deer cartridge. I know that lots of deer and humans too for that matter have been killed with one. Same can be said of the 22 LR.

The question is one of penetration ability. If a deer is quartering away, then the shot must travel from the back of the rib cage to the off side shoulder  (or thereabouts), and 50-60 rain bullets just don't have the mass to keep their energy up through such a shot. We tend to look at hunting from the "a perfect shot" stance. But the reality of hunting is that perfect shots rarely if ever occur.

The 243, I think, is under rated, but for many, the question hinges on how good a bullet. Last year I shot a buck with a 45-70 at 25 yards. I was using a 405 grain lead bullet at 1275 FPS muzzle velocity. Should have done the job admirably. But being both soft and slow, and the shot striking the fore leg bone, instead of breaking it and plowing right though as a harder and faster bullet would have done, the bullet was turned and it come out the breast, just forward of the off side leg. The shot did the trick, it broke the animal done and prevented it from running, but it did require a coup de grace shot, certainly not something that would leave a good memory for a youngster.

That same shot with a 30-30 would have been the end of the matter. I'm not sure how a 243 with run of the mill bullets would have performed that day. It is generally considered the very low end of deer cartridge performance, but I really see little difference between a 100 grain bullet from 243 and a 100 grain bullet from a 25-06, though most users of that cartridge use 115-120 grain bullets. (the 25-06 may actually be the chambering you are looking for) I think the 243 would serve quite well with good bullets, I would look to the premium ammunitions offered, and use the one that shoots best and offers a high quality controlled expansion bullet. Bullet technology has changed so much. There is a marked difference between controlled expansion bullets and the simple cup and core bullets offered in trade or loss leader ammunition. There ain't really a comparison.
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 03:23:27 PM »
i have owned several handies, and the one that shot the best was an old h and r in 30-30.  i owned a 22 hornet,  two .223's,  a .243, and an ought six.  the rifle that shot the best hands down was the 30-30.  those were the days before the internet and all this good info on this sight.  i really loved how handi these rifles really are, but i could not get them to shoot well.  different scopes, different loads, same results, maybe marginally accurate enough for the 130 lb. bucks on my near san antonio farm.  like the size and carry of the handi's, so do the kids.  thanks guys, i will be here bugging everyone for awhile til i figure these guns out!

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 09:58:02 PM »
First question, how old and what size are the kids?  10,12,or 14 or small stature try .243.  Older try 7mm-08, or .308 with the new reduced recoil loads.  You then can use the reguler loads for yourself, and any of the kids that are of larger stature or when they reach maturity.  At 15 my son was too small for anything bigger than a .243, then suddenly he had a growing sprut at 16 and immediately jumped to a 30-06.  He is of small stature, and requires a youth stock ( he will probably never outgrow that stock).  But he now has the weight, strength, and body bulk, to handle the heavier recoil of the 30-06 and his favorite, the 45-70 with 400gr loads (that thing with his hand loads kicks like my .338). Another advantage of the .308 is you can keep it for yourself after the kids have moved on, or give it to one of them later and it will make a good rifle for anything in the lower 48, except Buffalo.  Last week watched a fellow take a Moose with a .308 using 180gr FailSafe bullet.  Took three shots to finally drop the Bull Moose, but I blame the shooter not the gun.

As for accuracy out of the box.  I have frequantely made 500 and 600 yard shots with a 30-06 Handi.  I can hit 4" clay targets all day at 300 yards.  I just put a scope on it and started shooting it.  I did work up specific loads, but I did nothing such as lapping or excessive cleaning, or anything.  As for cleaning I break down once everyother month or so and run a brush through the bore and then a few patches, then an oily one.  That's all. But I never shoot it than twice with out letting the barrel cool.  As the barrel heats up it will string them upward.  But when hunting all shots are made from a cold barrel so thats how I practice.  Two shots then put it down and shoot something else, then after it has cooled two more shots.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2005, 03:24:12 PM »
the kids are from 100 to 130, and they have all shot the .223 and .243 and shoot well (4" or less groups at a hundred). i have just had some some problems with handi accuracy, i think i was just having too much fun and shooting too much.  i was shooting remington ammo(the cheapest i could find).   i live in san antonio and hunt only 8 miles from my front door, smallish deer, not as small as hill country deer, but not as large as south texas deer. my farm is mostly brush country, so shots will rarely be over 100 yards.  thanks, guys, ya'll have been a tremendous help.  deer season (bow) starts saturday, and rifle starts nov. 1.  need to get a gun for the kids and get some practice in.......

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2005, 10:01:53 AM »
Out of the ones you listed i would go for the 30-30. I have heard no bad reports on them. I think if you get that one you won't be sorry.
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30-30 it is
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2005, 03:48:42 PM »
thanks, varminter.  i was leaning toward the 30-30 anyway.  it has been 105 degrees here for about 7 straight days, cooler air coming tonight.  gun show is saturday and sunday, so i am going to look for a new handi rifle.  it is a great time of year if you know what i mean!

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2005, 04:01:59 PM »
Yes go for the 30-30, My almost 9 year old 65lbs shoots a 130 ssp bullet down loaded at about 2000fps & does well with it. Tried factory 150's but he had too much of the flinchies. Yours should do fine. One of my better shooters. Cooler weather already here in OK so its commin your way
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30-30 less trouble
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2005, 02:20:04 PM »
as i posted earlier, i had a 30-30 handi that shot really well.  my x wife somehow ended up with it, go figure.  it shot so well without any issues, i shot it open sights and it would should right where i pointed it.  i wonder why with the other handis i purchased, i always had one problem or another with accuracy.  why does the 30-30's behave so well, and some of the other handi's give me fits?  cooler weather finally got here, it is beautiful here!  i have been seein some nice bucks, i will send ya'll some actual pix if anybody wants one!            jef