Author Topic: Gunsmiting -Remington Rifles (Read 898 times)

tuck2 · « **on:** September 30, 2005, 06:05:09 PM »

If you have any problem with a Remington rifle send it back to Remington . I glass bedded the stock and adjusted the trigger on a Rem 700 LS. 221 Rem. When I called about an other problem the person I talked to told me not to send the rifle in with the trigger and stock. She said that if I sent them the rifle they would replace the stock and trigger. I will not purchase an other Remington firearm..

jvs · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2005, 10:59:26 PM »

You altered the original design of the rifle. That is why Remington won't touch it with fabricated or modified parts. Remington isn't any different than any other producer of any product. It doesn't matter if it's rifles or cars. As soon as you modify the original design, you void any implied warranty. It should be in the small print somewhere.

While glass bedding the front end wouldn't necessarily hurt any of the design, they don't want to see anything but their Liability Trigger. When you modified your rifle, you made sure that if you had a problem with it later, that you need to seek out a gunsmith other than a factory employee.

It may have been better to replace the trigger with an after market one until you knew for sure the rifle shoots good enough. That way you could have put the original trigger back in for shipping to the maker.

cal sibley · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:10:08 AM »

I personally think that's ridiculous. My gunsmith does a lot of benchrest work on competition rifles and has always been quite good on my rifles he's worked on. On my newest, a Remington 700BDL in .25-06 I'm doing well to get 1 1/2" (5 at 100yds). This is after shelling out an extra $250. to have the action glass bedded, the barrel floated and the trigger adjusted. If I send it back to Remington they'll probably tell me that's acceptable accuracy. I'm not accepting that. I have too many good Remingtons from the '80s. I have a load of experience with shooting from a bench and load development. If Remington would hire a few more machinists and gunsmiths instead of bean counters we might not be having these problems. Sorry guys, I'm just not a happy camper about this. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:43:09 AM »

All gun makers have the same policy. With Ruger if you send in a gun with even just custom grips they will pull and replace them with stock factory grips. Nope they do not return them.

jvs · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:27:17 PM »

Quote from: cal sibley

I personally think that's ridiculous. My gunsmith does a lot of benchrest work on competition rifles and has always been quite good on my rifles he's worked on. On my newest, a Remington 700BDL in .25-06 I'm doing well to get 1 1/2" (5 at 100yds). This is after shelling out an extra $250. to have the action glass bedded, the barrel floated and the trigger adjusted. If I send it back to Remington they'll probably tell me that's acceptable accuracy. I'm not accepting that. I have too many good Remingtons from the '80s. I have a load of experience with shooting from a bench and load development. If Remington would hire a few more machinists and gunsmiths instead of bean counters we might not be having these problems. Sorry guys, I'm just not a happy camper about this. Best wishes. Cal - Montreal

I never meant to infer that your Gunsmith doesn't know what he's doing, nor that what he does is anything but good work. But you should realize that the only thing that makes a good gunsmith is experience. They all started somewhere and made mistakes along the way.

You also have to realize that alot of people like to tinker with stuff, and guns aren't any different. If some amateur tinkers with a rifle and doesn't like the end result, he/she sells it to a probably unsuspecting buyer, who now has the problem. Who takes the fall for that then? I suspect the Manufacturer may get unflattering reviews for making a rifle that isn't up to the buyers expectations. Only because the previous owner wanted to try his newborn gunsmithing skills.

Liability is a funny thing in todays world. I personally wouldn't think that Remington or any other manufacturer would back a warranty on any firearm that has been altered by anyone but a factory rep. If they get sued, the experts will be looking for the reason. I am sure Remington and the rest have well paid Lawyers on the payroll that look for microscopic alterations to a firearm in wrongful death lawsuits.

One more thing, if you take your new car in for repairs to anyone but a factory certified mechanic and dealer parts aren't used, you have probably just voided the warranty on your car should something major go wrong.

Read the small print.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:18:15 AM »

I sent my Ruger 77 in a few years back......The Canjar set trigger was replaced with a factory trigger, and the Canjar returned in a manilla envelope.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:47:33 PM »

Seems like common sense to me but I'm just a dumb musician :?

cal sibley · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:42:10 PM »

Hello jvs,

The guy that works on my rifles is a benchrest gun smith and competitor.
When it coms to accurizing a rifle this guy knows his stuff. Several of my rifles that he's worked on shoot beautifully, and most of them are Remingtons. That's probably why I'm so disappointed now. Of course I can correct the problem by installing a Hart SS heavy varmint barrel, but
I'm not about to shell out almost $500. to fix Remingtons mistakes. I'd
rather just switch to Sako or CZ from now on. Most US manufacturers are in the same boat today. They've become so obsesed with the bottom line that the quality is rapidly disappearing. Bean couters aren't know to make particularly good rifles. Sorry to rant, but I'm really quite miffed with this. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

safetysheriff · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2005, 12:24:05 PM »

i have tuned/adjusted several Rem' Model 700's in the last few years. one of them is an ADL syn' in .22-250 that has lured my friend, a long-time Browning and Sako fan, away from the competition. his .243 left-handed in BDL blue/wood is just a little behind that .22-250. his Sako lever action put down a 320+ pound buck-of-a-lifetime for him 10 years ago......but he'll be hunting with Remington from now on i'd say. he said none of his Brownings or Sako's ever shot like that ADL syn' !

let's be honest -- they all have human beings working for them so sooner or later they have a 'lemon'; much as i hate to say so.

I'd talk to Remington and see what they can do; but don't expect them to ignore their own cadre of lawyers re: your trigger adjustment......because that just won't happen. they're struggling as it is.....

ss'

ps: why not take that barrel off your action, shorten it up TWO threads, rechamber it, and see what it does then.....with a shallow angle in the throat/leade to keep things in 'proper order' ? i'd think that it would make a significant difference if the chamber and bore are concentric to start with.

PA-Joe · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2005, 12:37:27 PM »

So as I understand it, they offered to replace your stock free, give you a new trigger free and fix the other issue free, and this is a problem? This is bad service?