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Offline Daveinthebush

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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2006, 10:53:11 AM »
My fault.  I was reading the other post, moved to this post and forgot what post I was on.  But were back on this post......

It is much easier up here in Alaska.  ANYONE....who is camping, hiking, out-of-doors, fishing....... can carry a handgun for bear protection.  No permit required otherwise either.  Up here the handgun is a tool.  When I am prospecting, on the boat or traveling 325 miles to Anchorage, I carry.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2006, 12:39:03 PM »
When in the woods it is virtulay illogical to expect a person to carry their gun packed up inside their coat. Then it makes total sense to carry open, as I under stand it there are 3 seperate classes of permit. (Range), (Hunting), Concealed), ....these go in decending order of ability to use the pistol. With (Range) you can not carry in the woods to hunt, inversly with (Hunting) you can obviously carry your gun at the range or in the woods, but not concealed. finaly with (Concealed) you can carry both at the range and in the woods as well as fully concealed. The laws allow an individual to carry in their classification as well as carry the pistol in all classifications which fall beneath it. Some judges in some counties will not issue a concealed carry permint, they will issue for hunting only. This is simply a matter of the judges, judgement. The only way to have C.C.P in these counties (i.e. democrat) is to have had one before said judge was elected, or wait for him to be off the bench and apply again for the CCP.
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Offline Mikey

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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2006, 03:05:38 AM »
OK - there are 3 categories of Pistol Permits in NYS - Concealed Carry, Premises Only and Target/Hunting.  

You said "the reason a cop carries a gun is to show power .... all guns show power ...... showing power in publis means you have power ... having and showing power means that you are more powerfull".  Not so - the Police are vested with an authority - and I am not going to translate this into 'power', to uphold the law or enforce the law, whatever their specific charter provides.  That includes the necessity to use firearms.  This is not a community power statement.  A community power statement comes in the form of an edict such as the one in Kennesaw, Ga., where all citizens are required to own firearms unless their moral or religious beliefs preclude firearms ownership.  

You also said:  when someone is carrying a pistol on their belt they are infact "displaying a monopolizing instrument of force with the specific intention of showing authority and power over all those around them" .  Again, not so.  If I am carrying a pistol then nobody has a monopoly of force.  Also, if you carry openly when you are supposed to carry concealed you are more likely to become victimized by criminals than someone not carrying openly - you know that 'cocky' attitude you spoke to - that is just what gets you hurt.  

A lot of folks here have run this issue on the formums before and the results are pretty unanimous - carry very concealed, avoid bad situations (which translates directly to not having a cocky attitude) and keep your eyes and ears open for developing trouble so you can make your escape without becoming involved.  

As for disagreeing with someone carrying a cannon on his hip - who gets into arguments with gun-toting people?  Idjits, maybe.  JMHO.  Mikey.
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2006, 06:36:27 AM »
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Alright huckleberry, now we are going to begin attacks? You quote R.LEE ERmey.......
I'm not starting any attacks. I called you to task on something you said. You tried to make yourself out to be something you're not....a law school student, eveyone saw through that real quick. You said that to make yourself look like you knew what you were talking about. You can call me anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a liar........it's that simple!

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..... i am also a person who is curently enroled in law school ...

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Offline dcnewyork

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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2006, 12:32:46 PM »
OMG....huckleberry, what dont you get?  What is your malfunction? I am attending collage to become a member of the legal profession. I have had my major declared for 4 years now.....I am attending an accredited university, I am here right now typeing this. I am officialy enrolled, what more do you want from me!  I am enrolled, that means that I have been excepted, I have paid money. I was enrolled in Cortland all summer; but I was not in Cortland, I was simply on vacation! Its obvious that you have some kind of issue; maybe some kind of complex which makes you feel inadaquate, if I was a psych. major, maybe I would be able to diagnose you. Im not though, so I guess we are all out of luck. I only wanted to help contribute to this post, instead my post and than I were discredited, and disrespected. I should have never bothered to explain my particular set of circumstances. Everything I have said is true; for you to say otherwise is to bear false witness, that is a sin. For you to bring my integrity into play is ignorant, and simply the actions of a fool. I really should not be arguing with a fool, because from a distance no one will know who is who!
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2006, 12:47:06 PM »
well Dc I am a psych nurse practitioner I can diagnose. As far as new York Hunter he is normal as they come. You on the other hand suffer from narcissistic personality and I believe dislexia by the way you type. Drop your holier than thou attitude cuz everyone sees through it. By the way college boy typing has no e in it.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2006, 12:59:21 PM »
Yeah I agree with bubba; lol, but i get by! I promise to mend my ways; never again will argue with anyone, nor will I disagree, and as far as any answers go, ain't got'nun, don't know nun and dont wanna learn nun.
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »
the sarcastic attitude only proves what I am saying. It is easy for you to run others down but not so easy to hear it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2006, 12:40:01 AM »
Now as far a sconcealed carry goes. In my county St. Lawrence, the local law enforcement says that concealed is an option. It gives you the privelege of carrying concealed, but you do not have to. The idea here is they would rather see it than wonder if it is there as far as law enforcement goes.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2006, 11:31:52 AM »
Yeah, the post by mikey was correct as far as the classes of permit go. Premises only, Target/hunting and Concealed. These allow for 3 different levels of use; a higher level does give the permit holder the ability to do anything allowed by the lower level, but not visa versa. We as gunowners/hunters must remember that we are part of a minority; we have an obligation not to offend or scare the majority, who are the general public. The people who do not feel as we do and do not act as we do must be coddled and given a sense of security and well being. When I state that a gun is a source of power, I am speaking from the point of view of an non/anti-gunner. They may preceive a threat or feeling of unease which may do damage to our cause in the long term. We should not give people the choice between likeing or hateing guns. It is better for them to have no opinion at all, what they can not see can not hurt them.
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2006, 06:14:00 PM »
I found this on the New State Assembly web site earlier today. For some reason I can't bring it up on that sight so I found it on this one. It's penal law 400.00. Second paragraph lists the types of permits available in New York State. According to this there are seven (A through G) different types of pistol permits in New York State. I think and I very well could be wrong but I think if you get a "Hunting/Target Shooting Only" you're getting (f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof then the judge restricts it him or herself. There is no "Hunting/Target Shooting Only" permit in New York State according to penal law 400.00.
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2006, 06:27:00 PM »
I forgot to mention that when I got my pistol permit in 1996 in was restricted to "HUNTING/TARGET SHOOTING ONLY". In 2002 I got the restrictions removed. My new permit was exact same permit as the one that was restricted. Both permits said "LICENSE TO CARRY PISTOL IS HEREBY GRANTED". The only difference between the two permits was the crooked and very sloppy stamp on the sides of the permits that said "HUNTING/TARGET SHOOTING ONLY". Other then that both permits were the same.
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2006, 06:36:41 AM »
Also notice that every permit that allows you to carry a pistol for what ever reason specifically say to "have and carry concealed" with the exception of permit type "G" which say to have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols. According to penal law 400.00 there is no open carry allowed in New York State.

Also keep in mind that I am no legal expert. I just happened to find this on the net! :grin:
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