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« on: October 02, 2005, 12:52:01 PM »
I plan to hunt a different area for whitetail this year. There is alot of brush but also some shots may be up to 100 yards. Most every shot will have the possibility brush involved. I have most of the centerfire calibers available in the Handis so I can use any of them. What caliber would you suggest. I use only factory ammo as I am not into reloading...

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2005, 01:19:28 PM »
That would be an easy selection for me.... the 45-70  :cb1:

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 01:53:35 PM »
I'd go with the .30-30 if it were me.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 01:59:30 PM »
Decisions decisions!!!
There are SOOOOO many to choose from!!!
 
 The 38-55, 30-30 and 308 Winchesters would fit the bill, as would the venerable 30/06 and 45-70 Governments and the new 500 S&W. Then there is the 50 cal Side kick and Huntsman Muzzle loaders or one of the ULTRA SLUGS in 12 or 20 ga.

My choice would have to be the 45-70 as well.....although the 500 is my next handi. :grin:  (I finally got the word it will be in this week!!!)

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2005, 02:06:51 PM »
30-30 or 45-70, each is great since no gun made will shoot "through" brush, branches, trees, and twigs. It's up to you to shoot "between" them and through the holes in the brush. Good Luck....How about taking them both, I know I would, use whichever one you decided to each day....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2005, 02:44:49 PM »
44 mag or 45-70
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2005, 02:50:39 PM »
I would use the one that I was surer of putting the pill
 where it would do the most good, :)  Lay the deer on the ground.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2005, 03:07:10 PM »
I may try the 30-40 Krag barrel that I recently bought. If I get the scope tuned in just right... My 45-70, 450 marlin, and 44 mag are ready to go. I intend to stop the deer in his tracks because if he runs, it will be hard to get him out...

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2005, 03:18:02 PM »
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44 mag or 45-70

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2005, 03:33:47 PM »
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I would use the one that I was surer of putting the pill
 where it would do the most good, :)  Lay the deer on the ground.
 Marv.


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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »
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30-30 or 45-70, each is great since no gun made will shoot "through" brush, branches, trees, and twigs. It's up to you to shoot "between" them and through the holes in the brush. Good Luck....How about taking them both, I know I would, use whichever one you decided to each day....<><.... :grin:


No disrespect to you MSP Ret, but I do wish the old wives tale of bulelts and calibers that will shoot through brush would die. Far too many tests have been done that show that even the smallest of branches will deflect a bullet from it's path, and the farther away the intended target is from that branch, the grater the dflection, and the greater the chance of a miss.

As hunters and firearms owners we are obliged to make clean shots on well identified game and to make quick humane kills. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS  A BRUSH BUSTING BULLET, CHAMBERING, OR CALIBER. If you are hunting in heavy brush, then it is imperative that you take the extra time to insure a clean shot, and if nessicary, PASS ON A BAD SHOT!!!!!

Years ago I lost a very good friend, to a shot from his brother in laws rifle, because the brother in law failed to follow the simple firearms safety rule  of identify the target and wait for a clear shot. Practices like "shooting through the brush" do nothing but unnessicarily endanger people and add to the "Bubba Redneck Hunter" stereotype so many have of us.

Back to the topic...I can't imagine that a 30-30 wouldn't do the job, but the 270, 280, 7-08 and 308, 30-06 would perform admirably as well, and will serve on the occasions you are hunting over feilds too.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2005, 04:44:44 PM »
JPH45, that's what he said. ... :D

Good point though, and it doesn't hurt to empahsize it.  Studies have been done.  You can't shoot throught stuff reliably.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2005, 06:43:06 PM »
Yeah what 35Rem said :wink: ... MSP Ret and JPH45 agree!  

And my .02 regarding caliber... Any of the suggestions made here seem quite acceptable.

I think when you answer the following questions: Which gun are you most at home/comfortable with, and which do you shoot more accurately?... you will have more important information than simply which caliber to use.

Add an effective factory load to the equation and off you go!

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2005, 02:50:20 AM »
the 45/70 .a bit of trivia i once read of tests done to find the best brush bucking cartridge and to every ones surprise the one that deflected the least was the 6.5/55 with 160 grain round nose who would have thought
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2005, 04:05:58 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2005, 04:37:15 AM »
I would go for the 45-70,which is one of the 2 guns I'll have with me this deer season in Missouri,for my close cover hunting caliber. Since your not going to reload for it,I would use the Federal Power Shock 300 grain load that has the Speer Uni-Core bullet in it.Part #45-70 AS...or the Winchester Supreme,part #SPG4570...both have given good accuracy results for me in the Handi. I hand load the partitions for this round in the nickle cases to 2400 fps out of my 22" Handi. I took a nice 10 point whitetail 2 years ago with it out of my 1895GS at 2300 FPS muzzle velocity and they preform beautifully on whitetail opening up nicely out at 150+ yards.I had a nice 3/4" hole going in...and a silver dollar size hole coming out the other side.You couldn't ask for better performance than what I got.They are pricey,but worth every penny to me.If start  you handloading for the 45-70,and load them up to the 2400 fps level,your good to go out past 200 yards with them,and will cover most hunting situations,so you could go 1 gun for both,if you want to use 2 guns,go for the 25-06 and again the Winchester Supreme Ammo. You'll have your bases covered perfectly.

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2005, 05:03:13 AM »
I'll come from a different angle, take what ever of your deer capable handis has the lowest powered glass.  At those sorts of ranges you don't need a lot of magnification and anything you can do to get on target faster would be useful. In the case of a tie i'd go with the one with the most horsepower.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2005, 05:59:49 AM »
It seems that MSP Ret was misunderstood greatly. I read his post and it clearly states that no gun can shoot through brush. He was indicating that you must pick your shots through holes in the brush, not shoot holes through them. I agree 100% that bad shots are ammo for the nons. I have read alot of MSP Ret's posts and he would never encourage irresponsible behavior with a firearm. As to the question, I would choose a relatively flat shooter with plenty of KO power. you want to be able to put your shot straight through any reasonable gap in the woods, and still anchor your beast straightaway. My advice is whatever you pick sight in dead on at 100 yds. to eliminate as much hold over/under as possible, if that is your max range. Good Luck!

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2005, 07:49:37 AM »
I have to agree with the above poster that the scope might be more important than the caliber.    I good scope that enables you to see the small limbs and guide your bullet through would be invaluable.  Any reasonable caliber will work at 100 yards or less.   I picked a .270 and a 3x9 Bushnell Elite.   I have no doubts with the rifle or scope from 20-200 yards.


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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2005, 09:11:31 AM »
I agree with MSP Ret that there is no "brush bucking" bullet.  I also agree with JPH 45 that you really have to ID what you are shooting at, which is what I think he was trying to get across in his post.  Being able to thread a bullet through a hole in the brush means that you have to make sure that what is at the other end of the hole is what you mean to shoot, and not a doe or (God forbid) another hunter!

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2005, 10:46:28 AM »
JPH and MSP rep, you are both correct (and JPH, you agreed with what MSP said, not disagreed!).  Since none can shoot through brush reliably/accurately, take a .30-30 just in case there's a longer shot.  If you said 75 max, rather than 100, I'd say the .45-70, and the .45-70 would still work fine.  But I just like a flat shooting caliber relative to the distance shot.

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2005, 11:25:28 AM »
I have a Handi 45-70 with the Mueller 2x7 Illumi Dot, think it would be ideal setup for you. Mine also has the Choate stock which helps with shooting and recoil for me, can hold it steadier for shooting .

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2005, 12:17:58 PM »
Quote from: JPH45
Quote from: MSP Ret
30-30 or 45-70, each is great since no gun made will shoot "through" brush, branches, trees, and twigs. It's up to you to shoot "between" them and through the holes in the brush. Good Luck....How about taking them both, I know I would, use whichever one you decided to each day....<><.... :grin:


No disrespect to you MSP Ret, but I do wish the old wives tale of bulelts and calibers that will shoot through brush would die. Far too many tests have been done that show that even the smallest of branches will deflect a bullet from it's path, and the farther away the intended target is from that branch, the grater the dflection, and the greater the chance of a miss.
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i guess that MSP' got it right, but JPH didn't quite read the post.    it happens.....

i'd go with the .44 mag' for its knockdown and its 'target-grade' accuracy.   i don't see how you can lose with a .44 mag' at shots of 100 yards or a little more in heavy cover.....if the right bullet is used, and the right spot on the deer is hit.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2005, 02:26:02 PM »
It's probably likely that I misread MSP's post somewhat. These days I read "brush buster" and see red. I dont think for a moment that MSP would be an advocate of irresponsible hunting, or irresponsible behavior while using a gun. My friends death was a great trajady, to his wife, children, parents and brothers and sisters. I dont think I've ever seen a family suffer like that, I would say that two of them never got over it :( Hard doesn't describe the aftermath. I suspect if anything that MSP has probably seen the results of irresponible behavior more times than any of us would care to. I apologize if what I wwrote was mistaken as an attack on MSP in anyway, that certainly was not my intent.

When I first got my 357 and 44 Handis, there was still a month of deer season left. I was poor enough at that point that a scope of anykind was out of the question. I passed on a doe one very late afternoon, as it was dark enough that I could make her out, but the light was bad enough that it was impossible to have threaded a bullet through the muskedine vines between was. The range was a ridiculously short 40 yards. I determined after that I would have a scope on my hunting rifle, as our season runs late here in Alabama, and the deer at the end of January move at dawn and dusk. I didn't want to pass on that doe, but I didn't want to loose her in the brush at dark either. The coyotes would have been appreciative, I would have hurt for a long time. Last year, at the end of the season I shot a spike that was within 60 feet of where that doe stood 2 1/2 years ago. I was in a stand, with a scoped 45-70 Handi, shot was 25-30 yards max. Had it been 15 minutes later, even with the scope I would not have been able to see the deer.  

I hunt thick hardwwod creek bottoms choked with brush and pine stands with think undergrowth. 75 to 100 yards is not only a max range, it is a chance of a lifetime range. Most shots in such conditions are measured in feet, not yards.

Such were the conditions where my friend died, and such are the conditions where I read of many people being shot. I am not in anyway against what might be called tricky shots, just please, please, please, please, please, please be sure of what it is you are shooting at. It absolutely infuriates me when I read of someone being shot while they are wearing orange :eek: Some people don't belong inthe woods and obvioulsy hunter saftey courses dont' weed out all the undesirable, deadly behavior.

So far as I am concerned there is no such thing as an accidental shooting when hunting. When the trigger is deliberatly pulled, the intent was that something would die. Such it is in life, for all things to live, something must die. Just be sure that what dies is what you intend to die and that you are able to recover the quarry. What we shoot doesn't have a choice in the matter, I'm sure if it did, it wouldn't choose to die. Would you? That is why we must be doubly responsible when we pull the trigger.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2005, 07:26:09 PM »
JPH45, thanks, we can all use a refresher now and then. Your story is beyond a tragedy. I hunt public land here in Arkansas, and yes, I have had more than one close call. Once I actually heard bullets whiz by from a salvo fired by road hunters, I had to bail out of a 12 ft. ladder stand. There are idiots out there! Trust me man, nobody was tryin' to bust your chops at all, but rather to point out that you two agreed totally. After all, we are all members of the "Grand Illustrious Order of the Mystery of the Handi" right? So hey it is all good. But seriously, thank you for a timely reminder with some of us already in the woods, and others soon to follow. It might not be a bad idea for we handi heads to join in asking for some grace and protection as we enter this season.

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2005, 02:47:22 AM »
Just a couple of wrap-up points.
dodd3 is correct that the most thorough tests indicate that a long bullet spun by a fast twist shows the least deflection from brush, regardless of caliber or velocity. This is just a point of interest (to me,) not a recommendation that a hunter plan to shoot through brush.
The majority of hunting accidents with firearms seem to involve people shooting themselves, most often when they've put a loaded gun in a vehicle and then grabbed it by the muzzle to pull it out (yes!) Also, crossing fences, getting it in and out of deer stands and leaving it in the back seat with the dog.

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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2005, 11:46:39 AM »
30-30 or 45-70 or any of the big bores! :)  :)  :D  :D
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2005, 08:48:18 AM »
I have taken deer with these calibers, 22 Hornet, 223, 22-250, 243, 270, 280, 30-30, 308, and 30-06. I plan to take a couple this year with something different. I will probably start with one of  these, 7X64, 7X57, 30-40. Or maybe 7.62X39, 357 Mag, 35 Whelen, 44 Mag, 45-70, 450. I almost frogot the 204, 500, or the 444. If these fail, I can pull out the 45 and 50 Huntsman or the 12 and 20 USH. Have I missed any? Have a good and safe season.....Ken

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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2005, 06:40:54 AM »
Ken,
If was you, I'd use your Ultra 357 Max with 180 gr Speer SP handloads, which was developed specifically for that rifle.

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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2005, 07:19:50 AM »
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Ken,
If was you, I'd use your Ultra 357 Max with 180 gr Speer SP handloads, which was developed specifically for that rifle.

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