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Offline hillbill

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« on: March 02, 2003, 07:29:15 AM »
hey anybody out there in cowboy mounted shooting haveing trouble with yhe primers backing out and jamming the cylinder on your revolver? if so has anyone found a solution? my dad is haveing trouble with his loads doing it and i really cant find any reason for it. if memory serves me is this possibley a situation caused by the low pressure of the blank cartridge?

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2003, 08:06:41 AM »
I believe you're correct.  Without a bullet to up the pressure in the case and expand it out to the walls of the cylinder the case will "back-out" and can bind the cylinder.  You might want to try the SASS Wire for Cowboy Mounting Shooting:  
http://www.sassnet.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=5
They can give you a solution to this
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2003, 01:30:17 PM »
hey ranger! that absolutely makes sense, i hadnt thought of the case not expanding because of the low pressure! thanks

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2003, 03:04:05 PM »
The primer hole has to be enlarged. Forget what size will do the trick but checking with the Mounted Shooters wire on SASS board will get you information.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2003, 06:53:03 AM »
The Ammunition - There are two types of ammunition used in Fast Draw: blanks and wax bullets. The blanks are generally a mixture of black powders and pistol powders. Often (especially in competitions) the blanks will have a layer at the bottom of the shell that is made up of a combination of 4F black powder and bullseye smokeless powder. This is the kicker. The rest of the shell is often filled with a combination of grainier powders that will break the balloon. Usually this is 1F black powder and a grainy pistol powder like 4831.

What type of blanks are used in Fast Draw?

For practise I generally use a very easy to load blank. This consists of filling the .45 Long Colt shell all the way to the top with 1F black powder (very grainy). I then push a half inch circular stationary sticker just far enough into the shell so that the edges curl up and stick to the shell (you can find these at almost any stationary store). Many shooters use thin cardboard or styrofoam as the wad and keep it in place with a thin layer of nail polish. You don't want to fill the shell so that it's overflowing because you will then crush the powder when you push in the wad. That would turn your 1F powder into finer grains that wouldn't be as effective at breaking the balloon. Conversely, you want to fill up the shell as much as possible to get as much powder as you can. That way you'll have more powder flying out to break the balloon.

For competition I want a load that has slightly more kick to it, and possibly better pattern. I put about a quarter or a third of an inch of a mixture of 4F black powder and Bullseye powder in the bottom of the shell as a kicker. I tend to use slightly more Bullseye than 4F. I then fill the rest of the shell with a 50/50 mixture of 1F and 4831. The 4831 is a very grainy, slow burning powder that will not burn up before getting to the balloon. I then place the wad sticker on top. Every shooter has their own competition load recipe. This just happens to be the one I use.

By the way, most shooters in the sport use standard primers in blank loads, but most people drill out the flash hole in the shell case primer pocket. This tends to reduce the occurrences of primer back-out (which often happens with a blank), and helps speed up the ignition of the powder. You want to make sure that you don't drill out the flash hole enough that the anvil in the primer (the three pointed metal star inside the primer) can go through the hole. I've found that a 1/8 drill bit does a good job.


http://www.fastdraw.org/video/cal-blank.wmv
This is the info from Cal Elrich should be the same for CMS as for standard Fastdraw.
http://www.fastdraw.org/video/cal-wad.wmv

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2003, 05:41:35 AM »
Starline sells them already drilled out for those of us that are laz.....time-challenged.

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2003, 12:11:33 PM »
This is what retired brass is for........no pressure, Head space is no issue that is what I do anyway.....

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2003, 12:15:34 PM »
Hey, Roy. How do you retire as brass? Maybe I should be brass.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2003, 04:51:54 PM »
www.cheaperthandirt.com is advertising BLANKS(Made by Fiocchi) in .38Spl and .45LC for around $10/box, if I remember correctly.

As for opening up the flash holes to prevent primer set back, you are correct. The same thing has to be done when using wax bullets, also.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2003, 02:56:36 AM »
When the case neck starts to crack and you can no longer safely use it as a loaded round, retire it  trim it back and use it as a blank...I don't know anyone else who has done it but it works fine, By the way H777 works great in blanks, you don't have to use so much to get the same bang.
And cleanup takes less time.
For the Wax Bullets we use cases modified for a 209 Shotgun Primer
They just drop out you don't have to decap 'em just drop out the 209 and stick in another one.