Author Topic: OK, Marlin Firearms it's time for........... (Read 3953 times)

razmuz · « **on:** March 02, 2003, 09:28:04 AM »

It's time for Marlin to retire the 35 Remington and re-tool for the new S&W .50-caliber magnum.

Enforcer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2003, 10:51:03 AM »

Quote from: razmuz

It's time for Marlin to retire the 35 Remington and re-tool for the new S&W .50-caliber magnum.

Why would they retool for the 500S&W.When for years we have had far superior rounds already being used in Marlins and winchesters.

500S&W 440gr 1625fps(handgun),1875fps(20in rifle)
450 Alaskan 500gr 2005fps-4465fpe,Ackley
50 Alaskan 453gr ABW 2015fps-4050fpe,Quickload
510 Kodiak Express 453 AGW 2323fps-5423fpe,Quickload

450 Marlin 400gr 2106fps-3934fpe
45/70 405gr 2100fpe-3925fpe
458x2 AM 400gr 2110fps-4005fpe

500 S&W COL:2.10
450 Marlin COL:2.55
45/70 COL:2.55
458x2 AM COL:2.60
450 Alaskan COL:2.79
50 Alaskan COL:2.60
510KE COL:2.68

Why build it?We already have and have had for a long time,rounds that will eat this one alive.Why bother?Just my opinion!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2003, 11:18:37 AM »

get rid of the .35 rem next theyll be saying the 3030 is obsolete :?

Buckeye · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2003, 02:33:44 PM »

I like the idea of a 500 S&W in a Marlin as long as they put in a 16in. barrel non-ported with a pistol grip stock! They shouldn"t try to make in a gg.
But never get rid of the 35 REM. The worse gun deal I ever done was when in a trade my 35 Rem. went to a freind of mine .
Even though I later got a .356win. I still miss my light recoiling hard hitting .35rem. Always will; it was a peach...

Dutch4122 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2003, 03:30:36 PM »

Discontinue the .30-30 Winchester or the .35 Remington!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Blasphemy! :evil:

However, the more caliber choices for Leverguns we have the happier I am. So, yes I'm all for that .500 in a Levergun; just don't want to see any more of the old classic Levergun cartridges gone. After all, look what the "modernization" of rifle calibers in the mid-twentieth century did to almost all of the old classics from the late 19th century.

Just my :money: !

Gatofeo · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:01:00 PM »

Hey Razmuz, what are the real --- not factory propaganda --- ballistics of the .50 S&W?
How many rounds have you chronographed?
How accurate have you found this round to be?
How many .50 S&W rounds have you fired?
How difficult is it to reload?

Graycg · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2003, 09:08:02 PM »

Keep the 35 rem, but give us a 375 JDJ chambering in the big marlin action!!

Would also love to see the 1894 in 357/44 bain and davis,

and how about the 336 in 357 Maximum?

that's all I want right now....not too much is it?

graycg

Mikey · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2003, 05:15:28 AM »

enforcer - gee Buddy, ya'll fergot the 444. Sniff! We is dissed. Mikey.

Buckeye · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2003, 01:27:45 PM »

The 500 S&W 440gr. 50 cal. bullet in a 18.5 in. barrel EST. 1900fps.
20 in. " " 1950fps
22 in. " " 2000fps.
My 45/70 gg 18.5 in. barrel 405gr. rem. 53 grs. IMR 3031 1800fps.

a 50cal. 440 gr. bullet at 1900fps. 18.5 in. barrel
VS
a .458 cal. 405gr. bullet at 1800fps. 18.5 in. barrel

Winner : 500 S&W hands down

Old Griz · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2003, 06:17:47 PM »

How about some real lever action rounds? 44-40 or 38-40?

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2003, 03:28:00 AM »

Quote from: Buckeye

a 50cal. 440 gr. bullet at 1900fps. 18.5 in. barrel
VS
a .458 cal. 405gr. bullet at 1800fps. 18.5 in. barrel

Winner : 500 S&W hands down

An extra 100fps and 35 grs. OH BOY! I'm sure the animal will be even more dead after that impact! Come on people, how much oomph is needed/ Have these animals grown armor?

Nothing personal Buckeye, I just had to use your figures you posted.

Lvl1trauma · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2003, 07:48:47 AM »

How about the .348 Win. or even the .405 Win. Either would have made 'ol Teddy Roosevelt proud.

Beau

Gatofeo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2003, 04:20:21 PM »

Sheesh ... drop the .35 Remington for a round that few have fired?
How accurate is the .50 S&W?
Have any inherent problems in its reloading or firing surfaced?
How does bullet drop compare between the two?
Where will you find the proper, .50-caliber bullet?
Sheesh ... I wish people would just settle down about this round. My bet is that in a year you'll see a bunch of used ones for sale. In a few years it will be discontinued and become a collector's item.
Who cares about the damned thing? It's all hype to lure a bunch of wild-eyed, excitable jacklegs and relieve them of their money.
When will scientists find a cure for "Magnumitis?" :roll:

Old Griz · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2003, 04:47:49 PM »

Amen Gatofeo. Everyone else has got big boomers and poor little S&W is feeling left out. They will probably sell a bunch of these. I was in a gun shop Saturday for about 30 minutes and I overheard 3 different people asking about it and the shop is taking orders for it of course. I can't help but wonder, however, if they would have more sales volume if they had simply come up with a good .475 or .454 instead. Folks start laughing when they see the price of the ammo (which the store already has).

Buckeye · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2003, 07:37:22 AM »

Blkhawk73, a 50 cal. bullet moving a 440 gr. bullet 100fps. faster than a .458 cal. .405 gr. bullet is a big differance make light of my statement if you like .'but by your handle( blkhawk) im sure you don"t use a .357 mag. over lets say' a .44 mag. And that armor statement I dont need a gun that powerful ' " key word need " now but "want " is a differant matter!
People spend alot of time at a reload bench to try to get that extra 100fps. I have, and you too, I bet
And people have spent big money for that extra 100 fps. on custom guns and wildcat cartridges , A I models, and such.

If extra frontal area , wgt. and vel. is not inportant lets just get rid of all big bores and get 30/30's and trade in our 44 mag's and 454 cas. and get .32 's cause the animals aren't wearing armor !!! are they ?? :wink:

lostinvt · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:11:32 AM »

Using the already published figures I ran them through some formulas and came up with the following:

.500 S&W

3526 Ft/Lb of Energy
119 Momentum
Taylor KO Value 59

45/70

2913 Ft/Lb Energy
104 Momentum
Taylor KO Value 47

It's only 35 grains heavier, and only 100 fps faster; but all of that adds up to a substantial increase in energy...and recoil

I think that for what most of us would use it for we would be overgunned. I can think of a few situations where the extra juice would be welcome but those would be limited in the lower 48 States

The one factor that is overwhelming is the "Gee Whiz" factor. Gotta be the first one on my block to own one and shoot it etc. I am not criticizing anyone, because the bug has bitten me more than once. I think that gun manufacturers like to capitalize on the gee whiz factor, and if it sells guns...or cars...or boats can we really blame them. Just my 2 cents. LIV

Old Griz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:37:18 PM »

I wouldn't mind everyone going back to .30-30s. I love mine! It would sure put the "hunt" back into hunting!

Buckeye · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2003, 02:46:16 PM »

Griz , thats what I'm using this next hunting season is my Marlin Spikehorn! Hope my 45/70 GG doesn"t get jealous! :grin:

GooseGestapo · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2003, 10:14:11 AM »

I vote for another run of the .32-20, 25-20, and the .218 Bee. I reloaded for and shot a friends .32-20, SWEET !. Wanted a .25-20 and Bee but they dried up even before Marlin announced they were discontinued !!!
PLEASE MARLIN, PLEASE !!!!

ALSO: A stainless "dark gray" with "half magazine" version in "ALL CALIBERS- BUT NO PORTS !!!!!" Also, use laminated stock for ultimate weater-proof gun ! Also ship with Reciever sight already installed, and scope base in box. And, for less than $500.00 !!!

hans g./UpS · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2003, 11:32:13 AM »

And while we're adding to the wishlist: make- the triggers:3lbs,"winter" trigger guards,the safeties ambidextrous,the rifles as takedowns for easier traveling.
Despite all the hoopla about the 50S&W,I think I'll stick with the 45/70. If I want extra range I'll go with a Savage 99 in 358Win[ambidextrous safety, nice balance,easy and cheap to load].

Old Griz · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2003, 12:21:21 PM »

I agree Buckeye. If I had to choose only one, it would be a tough pick between my CB .30-30 and my 1895!

Buckeye · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2003, 05:41:01 PM »

Griz , Even tho I'd like to see a 500 S&W in a lever it would be a 4th stringer on my gun team! My 30/30 spike horn 1st. , 45/70 GG 2nd.
94 win in a .356win 3rd.

Advocate · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2003, 01:37:01 AM »

Goose: I'm not into lever action rifles, but this is my favorite forum on graybeard. Just out of curiousity, what is the point of such rounds as the 32-20 and the 25-20? Is there one other than "just because"? (Don't get me wrong. That has always been enough of a justification for my own aberrations).

My understanding is these rounds are too small for deer and are too slow by modern standards to be much good on anything else. Am I wrong?

Please advise. Thanx.

Buster · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2003, 08:04:02 PM »

I'll take a new .375 Winchester or a .307 or .356!

1GLOCK · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2003, 09:59:26 AM »

I say they should chamber the 1895gg in a 50BMG hahaha, you would probably have to pick yourself up off the ground after every shot but at least it would put an end to all this 50s&w crap!!! Besides, I just dont think there's really a significant enough defference in velocity and energy over a heavy 45/70 or 450mag load to really make that much of a difference. I mean really what is there to gain over what we already have??? What, 25 yards in range?? 100fpe ?? I just think there's gonna be a lot of disapointed shooters, especialy if you buy a 50 and already have a 450 or 45/70 or 444.
But hey, you guys know what the say about oppinions....

GooseGestapo · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2003, 08:37:12 AM »

Advocate: Sorry, I haven't been around this site in a while. As far as the cartridges, if youv'e never shot one of these, you're missing out on some real pleasure ! As I reload and cast, these rifles are real "candy".
The cowboy action competition crowd generally down load the .30/30 to .32/20 level. The "report" is just that, not a blast. You can shoot either the .25/20 or .32/20 from rifle without muffs and incur no hearing damage (I still do wear muffs when not hunting). Accuracy with these rifles is usually phenomenal (1.5" @ 100yds w/reciever sights).
Call it nostalgia if you will, but I would like to add these to my collection.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2003, 11:47:30 AM »

Quote from: Buckeye

The 500 S&W 440gr. 50 cal. bullet in a 18.5 in. barrel EST. 1900fps.
20 in. " " 1950fps
22 in. " " 2000fps.
My 45/70 gg 18.5 in. barrel 405gr. rem. 53 grs. IMR 3031 1800fps.

a 50cal. 440 gr. bullet at 1900fps. 18.5 in. barrel
VS
a .458 cal. 405gr. bullet at 1800fps. 18.5 in. barrel

Winner : 500 S&W hands down

I don't know where you got these numbers for the 45-70 & the 458 ! But thier no place close to what these cartridges can do. Better take another peek at those 2 and see what your a missin !

50mag is a step up in the revolver world not in the rifle cartridge world. It may be a winner over the 454, 480 and alike. But not over a 458 or a 45-70 in numbers or real killing power.

BP

Smokey · « **Reply #27 on:** May 14, 2003, 05:11:00 PM »

I'd like to see Marlin come back with the .356 in its 336 lever gun line. I have one in a Win. 94 AE and love it.

daddywpb · « **Reply #28 on:** May 15, 2003, 03:51:12 PM »

I'd love a 16" ported lever gun in 500 S&W, but...discontinue the 35 Rem? Aaaaahhhhhgggg! Come on now - the 500 is untried and unproven, not to mention expensive. Bullet selection is very limited. Only time will tell whether or not shooters will embrace any new caliber.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #29 on:** May 15, 2003, 11:14:12 PM »

Im having the gun I wanted marlin to make made myself a 94 in .475 linebaugh. With a short barrel you arent going to get a more handy powerhouse.