It is just some guns don't fit what I am looking for.
Well...this I can understand easier than this..
I don't like the looks of them, CVA is junk in my book, that has been my opinion long before the CVA ELITE came out
It's not that you just don't like the looks of them...heck...many folks feel the same...but your qualifier to finish the sentence tells me that your pre-disposed against not only the rifle but the company as well and with that knowledge of how you are I know now that... you can't...or
wouldn't...give an honest intelligent objective evaluation of them...one way or the other even if you did try one..Thanks for the clarification...
I think maybe you bought some stock in CVA? 
Nope..They aren't in my portfolio...sorry
I'm not bashing the Encores..nor am I bashing the Handi's..Heck...I'm not bashing any rifle or any person here..as I said earlier..My viewpoint on both the Encores Stocks..and the CVA's stock design has changed since getting a few of the Elites...and my feelings of the NEF's changed prior to my purchase of the CVA's... I can only hope that one day folks will be able to get as many choices with the Elite's as they can with the Encores to purchase all of the different barrels & stocks that are available now...I know full well they aren't as popular as either one is for the moment...since they are a relatively new rifle...but they do have the makings to become a strong competitor in the field...so...we will give them a good work out and see how well they hold up..and if they continue to be as accurate as the ones that have been reported to be...Also as what has already been touched on by others...if they remain at their competitive price point...they will be a less costly alternative...
IMO CVA produces products that are not properly tested for safety. I also try not to buy anything made in other countries.
The first part of your statement ...even though may be just your opinion...to me
seems ludicrous ..Is it your intentions to include
this rifle into a group of products that are defective or unsafe ? Has there been any real verification that what is being produced by them today is unsafe? How is it that you know that
this company doesn't test it's products in a manner that is perfectly safe and acceptable and conforms to the rules and laws governing the importation of this rifle? Please inform me of what information you have that allows you to draw this conclusion.Many companies have had defected products..and I can certainly say no company is perfect...but...unsafe? That is a pretty strong statement regarding this rifle that you know absolutely nothing about...
I too buy American products...quite often in fact.....but..not to the extreams some folks state that
they will go...nor do I fault someone else if they do because of their choice..nor do I attempt to criticize the product and deem it unworthy ... I don't do this namely because I know that many products that are sold in this country have their origins outside these borders...in one form or another and that if it contains a percentage high enough by someone else's standards can be stamped...
made in the U.S.A. on it...This is in effect the de-facto standard these days...To try to tell someone not to buy this rifle because it is..well..I'm not an isolationist...and put value ahead of such reasoning...as do many other folks as well...I can say with certainty
if the Marlin corporation would do to the NEF line...what CVA is doing...I most certainly would continue with them..but for them to play catch up now...and offer a rifle built to the spec's with the same quality that the Elites are ..I am quite certain that will put that rifle way over the cost of the Elite today...
For those who are interested in learning about these rifles...or for those who wish to try any of these rifles..It is always better to hear honest and truthful reporting of them by those that actually have them or at least shot them enough to make a valid assessment of them ....than it is to hear from those who are dead set against anything the company is making now or are by those who are predisposed to show bias against them from the onset.It took me awhile to realize that I was this way with the Handi's...since all but 2 of them I ever owned were great...I attributed much to other folks problems with them to be more cosmetic issues or shooter induced problems...than actually seeing the bigger picture...I understand fully what one expects to get for the money the spend...With the Handi's you get what you pay for...It is a no frills rifle that has some issues...some more than others...that may or may not shoot...The company has a outstanding C/S department that will bend over backwards to make it right if you do have problems and is still a good value for the money one will pay for them...provided the realize they
may have to invest some time into making them preform to top notch levels ...Then Encores and the T/C's to have some issues too...but they are priced considerable higher than either the Handi's or the Elite's...and so what one should get for the additional amount of money spent is far fewer problems..but..many people have reported otherwise...It doesn't mean they are bad..or unsafe...but that with any company...problems do occur Hence the niche the Elites are trying to fill...Will they succeed ? I don't know......If there are serious issues that crop up with these rifles and the company doesn't address them properly..I will post it..I don't think this will happen though..not since their C/S manager is receptive to ideas from their customer base...and is actively seeking ways to improve them and has encouraged folks to e-mail him with their wants and problems they have had...not only with their products...but with their competitors as well..and willing to try to give the customer what they want and making sure that information is getting to those who can implement any changes...I know he is quick reply to inquiries made to him from those here at GBO...and to many it is a good sign and gives some measure of comfort to know...
My dear old Grandmother used to say this to me and my brother when we were dead set against doing or trying something new...and I find it kind of appropriate here...She would say to us...
" A wise man can always change his mind when he finds he was wrong...A fool never does..."... I won't lock myself into being considered
foolish by refusing to try something new...or refuse to accept that something can not be safe because it isn't made here...or because it
is made in the U.S.A. it automatically should be mine or anyone else's only consideration...
Have a Great 1
Mac
