T/C ENCORE VS. H&R HANDI RIFLE (VS CVA OE) : WHICH IS BETTER?

[Davemuzz]

Davemuzz, you might consider this, the triggers jobs are free under most circumstances through H&R, however, all the instructions to do it yourself are posted in the FAQ's on the H&R site, they are easy and straightforward, and since you have polished up the trigger on your TC yourself there is no reason you could not do it on your H&R. Instead of spending about the $100 you quoted for another .22 LR barrel why not just buy a complete new H&R Sportster in .22 LR? They usually go for between $109.00 and $119.00 in either .22 LR or .22 Mag and either can often be purchased brand new on sale for $99.00...a better way to go buddy....<><....

Hmmmm,,... well here are some considerations for buying the Contender 22LR barrel: (1) As already mentioned, throw it on the Contender frame and go shoot...no need to do a trigger job as that's already done. (2) I already have a very nice Bullberry custom stock for my Contender with a longer LOP for my longer than average arms and a higher comb that when I mount my scope on the barrel, and put my cheek on the comb, I am looking right down the scope.....just like I'm suppose to. (3) The Contender forarm is already setup with the barrel foat gig, so I don't have to do anything else.....just tighen the screw and no concerns about the forend touching the barrel.

So, there are some considerations for spending the additonal $100 for the Contender barrel. Yeah, I don't have a "whole new gun" but for me, I do have a "whole new caliber" to shoot. And in the end, that's what I'm looking for.

Dave.

[manofthe45]

9 yes 9 used CVA OE on the used rack at cabela's today.  2 ML encores(older style not PH) and 1 handi in 30/30.  Guess some people just aint happy with miricle cure for the encore. 

Just where are these OE's and how much for them? I've got some friends that are interested.    Digger

cabelas in Hamburg PA if they feel like wasting money

[Ditchdigger]

9 yes 9 used CVA OE on the used rack at cabela's today.  2 ML encores(older style not PH) and 1 handi in 30/30.  Guess some people just aint happy with miricle cure for the encore. 

Just where are these OE's and how much for them? I've got some friends that are interested.    Digger

cabelas in Hamburg PA if they feel like wasting money

I'll call them tomorrow and check there prices on all of them.   Digger

[Ditchdigger]

Well I called Cabelas and they only have 3 CVA Optima Elite that are used,2 mz combo's and 1 270. The used 270 price is $469,and that's more than a brand new one. I talked to a salesman and the man over the gun library,and both said that they had never heard a single bad word about the elite.
If they had the 9 like Manofthe45 said,I thought I was going to pick up some bargain's for my buddies.    No bargains there. Digger

[manofthe45]

Hamburg cabelas had their captains weekend 3/24/ and 3/25.  Shoulder to shoulder everywhere in the store.  Was ther three times over both days to attend seminars given by the various captains.  I live six miles away from cabelas and am there on average twice a week to pruse their bargain cave and used gun rack.  As for their prices I agree on most things in their used rifles they are off the hook.  When I said there was 9 there were nine.  If you want to call me a lair again do it in a PM and I will gladly discuss it man to man with you.

As far as the no bad comments:  How many of you have ever taken a gun into a gun shop to sell saying it was a lemon or losey shooter?

[quickdtoo]

When I said there was 9 there were nine.  If you want to call me a lair again do it in a PM and I will gladly discuss it man to man with you.

Being a little thin skinned there aren't ya!   Maybe they were Wolfs, Optimas or Optima Pros which are an entirely different rifle, you wouldn't be the first to make that mistake, just ask McLernon! They may have sold a bunch since, too!

Tim

[Ditchdigger]

Manofthe45,I was not calling anybody nothing,but I did think I was maybe about to buy some bargains.If they get some more in,call me,I pm'd you my ph.no.  Thanks for trying anyway.      Digger

[manofthe45]

When I said there was 9 there were nine.  If you want to call me a lair again do it in a PM and I will gladly discuss it man to man with you.

Being a little thin skinned there aren't ya!   Maybe they were Wolfs, Optimas or Optima Pros which are an entirely different rifle, you wouldn't be the first to make that mistake, just ask McLernon! They may have sold a bunch since, too!

Tim

cABELAS IN HAMBURG ONLY PLACES mL IN THEIR USED RIFLES IF THEY ARE CAPABLE OF SWITCHING BARRELS, IE HANDI, ROSSI, T/C, OR OE.  if they are regular ML only they have a rack for them in the bargain cave.   I have owned CVA garbage before and spend more than enough time every week hanging out at differant GS to know the differance.

[Mac11700]

When I said there was 9 there were nine.  If you want to call me a lair again do it in a PM and I will gladly discuss it man to man with you.

Being a little thin skinned there aren't ya!   Maybe they were Wolfs, Optimas or Optima Pros which are an entirely different rifle, you wouldn't be the first to make that mistake, just ask McLernon! They may have sold a bunch since, too!

Tim

cABELAS IN HAMBURG ONLY PLACES mL IN THEIR USED RIFLES IF THEY ARE CAPABLE OF SWITCHING BARRELS, IE HANDI, ROSSI, T/C, OR OE.  if they are regular ML only they have a rack for them in the bargain cave.   I have owned CVA garbage before and spend more than enough time every week hanging out at differant GS to know the differance.

So...please enlighten us...How many CVA Optima Elites or any of the current production rifles made by BPI/CVA have you owned?...Also why is it you have to call them garbage...?


Thanks for checking Digger...I was hoping to pick up on a few good deals myself..

Mac

[manofthe45]

In-line (owned)

1. optima pro
2.staghorn
3.eclipse
4.firebolt

Inline (shot)
1.kodiac     (only one I may buy but only since it is a knockoff of the omega)
2.buckhorn
3. wolf (cheaper version of the optima garbage line)

Percussion
st louis hawkin and bobcat these by the way I still own and enjoy

Do you want me to list the knights, t/c's, and traditions I have owned too?

Mac I thought us t/c guys were hard core, but darn we all combined ain't got nothing on you and this wonderful OE.  I hated the optima pro line so why should I like the next line that it spawned.

Garbage = junk, but one man's junk is another mans treasure

I hate the optima line, Cva inlines not of the optima line I try to take on a gun by gun situation but with the way Cva burned me when dealing with the OP I really doubt I will ever buy a NEW CVA inline.  Now if I find I good deal on a used inline???

[Redhawk1]

manofthe45, I was wounder if some of them guys bought stock in CVA. I love my Encore's and T/C products. But I don't post about them every day. Just like you, I won't ever own a CVA product. 

[manofthe45]

Honestly I am just tired of having to defend my opinion from everyone.  I don't go to the nef and cva sections and constantly bash their guns.  Would be nice if the nef fans would do the same thing with the t/c  section, but here in the single shot section I thought I was free to state my opinion that the handi's look clunky and that the optima line is crap.  but since it appears that all the upper managment of CVA posts here I guess I will just man the guns.

[Mac11700]

manofthe45, I was wounder if some of them guys bought stock in CVA. I love my Encore's and T/C products. But I don't post about them every day. Just like you, I won't ever own a CVA product. 

Nope...I don't own any stock in Marlin or BPI...

Honestly I am just tired of having to defend my opinion from everyone.

I am not asking you to defend your position Sir...merely wanting to know why you consider the Optima Elite garbage..I have had bad luck with several different firearm manufactures in the past as well..and I don't consider everything these companies put out as junk. Granted..those particular rifles I had malfunctioned..but it didn't make me consider their entire line as being bad..I am not trying to change your mind on any of the guns you had issues with either..you are entitled to your opinions on them..but why is it that some folks continue to bad mouth CVA or NEF needlessly for past mistakes?

Manofthe45..you ask why would the new OE line be any different from a previous line and why would you like it? Well..I can't say honestly about their other lines..What I can say is on the current line of Elites since these are the ones we are comparing...not something that was made in the past by a different company...and since I don't own anything else but the Elites..I can only give my honest opinion on this model....Also since the Elite is the only model that can be compared to the 2 rifles this post is about..it should be the 1 compared.. The current Elites shoot great..and the stock design helps in reducing the felt recoil...and you can only get centerfire barrels with the Elites since they redesigned the frame & barrels to keep them from switching to any other frame...Also...the customer service guys have been great to any of us here that have called..I am sorry if you have had problems with them before..and I don't know how you went about trying to get you issues resolved..but I do know that Mark the customer service manager will work with anyone provided they remain respectful with him...or his staff...and I know most if not all of the other gun manufactures are the same in this regard.Some folks don't understand how to call and voice their complaints without being rude to the C/S tech..I'm not saying this was what you did mind you..but..I deal  with customer service depart staff all the time...and when some one calls up ranting and raving calling their product POS or POC or junk..or garbage...demanding things be made right...don't expect them to be taken care of as quickly as someone who has exhibited better telephone manners who remains polite and courteous..even though they are having problems with their product....after all the C/S tech is human too..

BTW...I don't know of any top management of CVA that post here...so..if you do..let the rest of us know who it is...

I love my Encore's and T/C products. But I don't post about them every day.

Sooo...because some of us do post everyday...that means there is something wrong with us?

Mac

 

[Davemuzz]

Sooo...because some of us do post everyday...that means there is something wrong with us?

Mac

  Oh that.....it's just a silly neurlogical twitch....my Doctor says it's not strong enough to pull the trigger, I wouldn't worry about walking in front of me!

[Buckskin]

8 pages, you gotta be kidding me!  A lot of server space could have been saved if this post would have been a poll in the first place.

btw.  Encores rule the roost!

[Mac11700]

Just like you, I won't ever own a CVA product.   

Redhawk1...not to point out the obvious....buuuuut...I think he does own a few



Mac

[kyelkhunter3006]

Wow, this thread is starting to remind me of a presidential campaign...all the different groups promoting/defending their candidate while trying to smear the other candidates with as much negativity as they can.  Whew!  Maybe we can call it "T/C ENCORE VS. H&R HANDI RIFLE  (VS CVA OE)  : WHICH IS BETTER?" Campaign Trail 2008.... 

[Ditchdigger]

Well llets count this up so we can quit argureing. 4 very good rifleman have shot the OP elite and have given it good marks. I have not heard of anyone that has shot one that has said it trash. There's been a few that condem it just by looking at it. So lets end it here boys before Greybeard steps in. He's not in real good health now and stuff like this is not going to make him any better. So come on boy's lets drop this.    Digger

[quickdtoo]

Well said, I'm with ya there, Digger!!

Tim

[Redhawk1]

I was done with this thread a long time ago, but you CVA guys keep it going. It is like a nightmare, every time I go to sleep, I see a CVA post.   Kind of like taking a big pill that just won't go down. 

[Davemuzz]

Who's still talking?

[manofthe45]

Well llets count this up so we can quit argureing. 4 very good rifleman have shot the OP elite and have given it good marks. I have not heard of anyone that has shot one that has said it trash. There's been a few that condem it just by looking at it. So lets end it here boys before Greybeard steps in. He's not in real good health now and stuff like this is not going to make him any better. So come on boy's lets drop this.    Digger

Agrreed lock it down and lets be done with it

[txpete]

y'all are like a bunch of old women

[Mac11700]

Not to change the subject or anything...but did you guys see this set of stocks for the Contender...on the TC forum ? These are really nice...Dr.Michael did a great job with them....I'll be glad when something like these are available for the Elite's...

Mac

[quickdtoo]

That is very nice, almost makes ya forget about the stock shape!!

Tim

[Buckskin]

Wow, too pretty to shoot.  I bet that wasn't $90 a set. I like the stock shape, fits me very well scoped.

[kyelkhunter3006]

Well llets count this up so we can quit argureing. 4 very good rifleman have shot the OP elite and have given it good marks. I have not heard of anyone that has shot one that has said it trash. There's been a few that condem it just by looking at it. So lets end it here boys before Greybeard steps in. He's not in real good health now and stuff like this is not going to make him any better. So come on boy's lets drop this.    Digger

I may not like the looks or the maker, but I do have to agree, I haven't heard a single negative from the people who actually own the gun.

[Mac11700]

Wow, too pretty to shoot.  I bet that wasn't $90 a set. I like the stock shape, fits me very well scoped.

To get that nice of burling in a set of blanks now-a-days will set you back $250-and up...Good wood isn't cheap anymore....

Mac

[Davemuzz]

That is very nice! However, I cant own a set of wood like that for my contender. When I take my guns hunting, doesn't matter how careful I am, at the end of a season, my guns look like they've been taken hunt'in. Nothing wrong with that, but I just can't see investing in a nice piece of wood that I'm gonna scar up.  That's one reason why I like a laminated stock.

But, I sure do like to look at stocks like that! Very nice!

Dave

[nomosendero]

Well llets count this up so we can quit argureing. 4 very good rifleman have shot the OP elite and have given it good marks. I have not heard of anyone that has shot one that has said it trash. There's been a few that condem it just by looking at it. So lets end it here boys before Greybeard steps in. He's not in real good health now and stuff like this is not going to make him any better. So come on boy's lets drop this.    Digger

I may not like the looks or the maker, but I do have to agree, I haven't heard a single negative from the people who actually own the gun.

That is a good observation & logical as well. Whether it is a Rem, Ruger #1, Sav, or these single shots being discussed, if the poster does not own one & is merely stating an opinion, I see little reason to pay much if any attention to that. I am going to get another barrel or 2 for my Encore since
nobody wants to give 75% of it's original value for it & I am going to buy an OE with a couple of barrels & do a comparison & post the results. Let the chips fall where they may, like I said before I am mainly a bolt guy, but it will be interesting I am sure.