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Offline salukijoe

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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Mag...
« on: October 25, 2005, 05:26:30 AM »
300 yds. and under?  If anything??

I have shot both quite a bit and like both.  Mixed bag deer/elk hunts on the horizon.  No question, the 30-06 is more pleasurable to shoot.  

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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Ma
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 05:39:34 AM »
Under 300, Nothing mabye a couple of inches worth of trajectory if that. Unless you plan on shooting tough critters then the extra horsepower of the 300 would be nice to have with the 200gr+ bullets.
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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Ma
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 05:57:35 AM »
The '06, .300WM comparison is a classic example of the original reason for magnums.  With the .300 you can send a greater weight of metal down range at the same velocity of the lesser cartridge.  With the .300  you can send a 200-220gr bullet at the same speed a '06 drives a 165-180gr bullet.  Any trajectory gains at 300 yards would not be significant but you would get a greater "thump" from the heavier bullet.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 06:59:55 AM »
It depends on your recoil tolerance. Lots and lots of elk are killed with the 30-06 using 180 grain bullets.  The 300 mags are considered better elk cartridges, but if you are not confident in your bullet placement, then the 300 is a bad idea.  If those were the only choices, I'd pick the .300 magnum and practice enough to get good with it.
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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Ma
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 10:30:51 AM »
YOu can always put a muzzle brake on the Win Mag. I have shot one several times with a Kleingunther brake and it felt like a suped up 222 mag. Very pleasant to shoot with full load 180  grainers.

I then put one on my 7mag. same result, very little recoil resulting in much small (tighter) groups at the range.
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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Ma
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 10:50:38 AM »
Just a little more speed and knock down power.  :D
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What does the '06 give up to the 300 Win Ma
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 03:14:45 PM »
I would choose the 30-06 for distances of 300 yards or less.  I know for a fact that I'd shoot it more often and more accurately.  The farthest that I have shot a deer was just over 200 (280 Rem.) and the closest was less than 20 (243 Win.)  and the deer that I've killed weigh much less than I do at 220lbs.  I just can't justify the extra horses for my needs.  Oh, if/when I ever elk hunt my 280 and/or my 30-06 are going.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2005, 06:12:01 AM »
Quester made an excellent point that would apply regardless of which cartridge you choose:  "practice enough to get good with it".
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2005, 04:34:16 AM »
What does the 06 give up to the 300 mag ?
PLENTY if you care about muzzle energy with ALL bullet weights and efficient use of bullets heavier than 180 gr.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2005, 07:23:52 AM »
If recoil is your only concern, than go with the 06. I have killed one elk with my 06, but wouldn't mind having a mag. I am thinking about getting a .325 WSM

I have shot my 06 and my cousins 300WSM a lot lately, getting ready for some hunts. I notice no difference in recoil between the two. It has been said that the short mags have less perceived recoil than standard mags and that may be true.

It could also be the gun design. My cousins 300WSM is in a model 70 classic stainless with the synthetic stock and it is not uncomfortable to shoot at all. That combo definitely is flatter and harder hitting than the 06, so it may be the way to go if you want the power without more felt recoil.

Definitely stay away from the weatherby 300 if you are concerned. The muzzle blast is fierce out of those things. To me muzzle blast is worse than actual recoil in making people shoot bad. A great example is a little .243 mod 70 featherwieight we have. Its short barrel really has some muzzle blast when driving light varmint bullets, but little recoil. My wife prefers shooting my 30-06 with 180 Barnes X to the 243 with the light bullets. Obviously the 243 is not recoiling nearly as much, but he blast scares her, even with good ear protection.

Best thing to do is go to a shooting exibit or range that lets you test fire different combos of gun/cartridge. Find a 300 mag combo that you are comfortable with and you will have a superior Elk gun to most 30-06s. I just like the idea of having a little more punch than the 06 can provide, especially for big bulls. Those animals are so tough, a little more can't hurt. If I continue using my 30-06, I will always keep the range well under 300 yrds and much closer if possible.

I recently went to a show and shot all kinds of combos including .338 mags, 375 mags and 458 win mags. It is amazing the difference in felt recoil with different combos. I shot a savage .338 with muzzle break off the bench several times that was not bad at all. Wouldn't want to shoot that cartridge in the wrong gun though.

Still, what the 06 gives up to the 300 mags is probably very small for most species and shooting situations, but I like having more power if I can handle it for bigger game. Just would give me a little more confidence, especially when the big bull elk of a lifetime steps out at a little over 300 yrds.

Good shooting,
Brian
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2005, 07:33:45 AM »
SJ,
My cousin doesn't reload, so he is using factory ammo, but I recently met a guy that says he is driving 168 gr barnes tripple shocks with reloader 22 at over 3400 FPS out of a 300WSM. If that is true, then the 06 gives up a hell of a lot to that cartridge. I can not verify those ballistics, but they are very impressive if true. That sounds more like 300 weatherby preformance to me.

Good shooting,
Brian
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2005, 09:13:34 AM »
168gr bullet at 3400 fps ....... :shock:   Does that load come with a mallet to open the bolt with? Thats less than 100 fps lower than 30-378 weatherby magnum.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2005, 10:30:56 AM »
That is what I though too, especially out of the WSM case. Both the weatherby 30-378 mag and the Remington 300 ultra mag beat even those ballistics, but with massive recoil and short barrel life I am sure.  I am betting the standard 300 weatherby would be in that range too. I recently found a load for the 300RUM that is pushing a 165 at over 3700 FPS. Wonder how many rounds it takes to burn that barrel up? Probably not many.

The fastest published data I could find for 165-168gr bullets in the 300WSM is around 3250, which is still much more potent than the 30-06. I push my 165 hornardys at about 2800 and my 180s at around 2700 in the 06. I know my loads aren't max, but that still puts all of the 300 mags well above the 30-06.


Good shooting,
Brian
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2005, 11:08:02 AM »
Yes but the $26,000 question is inside 300 yds what's the point.
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