Author Topic: New Barnes/ TSX with Bal. Tip (Read 2214 times)

nomosendero · « **on:** October 26, 2005, 08:36:56 PM »

This could be huge. As some of you know & if this has been posted, I
apologize, but Barnes is introducing a TSX type bullet with a Ballistic type
tip,(not plastic, though) & a tungston rear core to add weight & reduce length. It is designed to expand down to 1,400 FPS to double bullet dia.,
still penetrate up close at high impact velocities, have a very high BC with
the Bal. Tip design & offer accuracy at least as good as the TSX!!!

I use TSX bullets alot, but I have also been using other bullets as I just
did on an Antelope hunt, & use different types for different applications.
In other words, as good as the TSX is, other bullets were better for me for some hunting. But if this does as expected, this could be the bullet for
all of my hunting except varmits.

I heard about this some time back, but I knew Barnes was trying to keep it hush hush, but the Cat is out of the bag now & other web sites are talking about it & it will be in some mags soon & the Rifle in some places.

Boy, the Barnes haters will be peeing in the wind now!!!

nomosendero · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:42:22 PM »

DannoBoone/Moderator

My mistake, I should have posted this in the Handloader Section I guess.
That's what I get for not being able to sleep.

Again: Sorry

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2005, 03:57:46 AM »

There are several shall we say inaccuracies in the post. It is not correct to call the tip a Ballistic Tip as that is a trademark of the Nosler Bullet company. And yes the tip is the same plastic everyone else uses, made no doubt by the same company who makes they for all the other companies using them and the list is long these days of who does use them. BUT only Nosler has the Ballistic Tip as it's a registered trademark of their company.

Put me down I suppose in the "barne's haters" club. I find no good purpose in life for them. But I was the one who first made the introduction of them here on this site in the post on the medium bore forum I believe in response to the posts of my two barnes lovers there.

The bullet at least for now and maybe for ever will not be offered to reloaders. It is offered ONLY in Federal brand factory loaded ammo.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2005, 05:50:40 AM »

Hay GB on of the Barnes lovers here. :-D

. I hope Barnes releases them to reloaders, but if not the TSX will do the trick.

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2005, 11:00:51 AM »

Yup you and Lawdog are my two Barnes lovers. And I had to tell you guys about the new barnes bullets.

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2005, 11:57:12 AM »

With what has been said about a certain category, then I am also Barnes lover #3 I guess.

I stand by the abilities of the Barnes bullets. As well too, I understand your position with them Graybeard, and respect that. But my experiences with Barnes TSXs corresponds to that of Redhawk1 and Lawdog's. Very accurate, work great (apparently as advertised), and my copper fouling is not more than any other bullet I have used. In fact, it comes out much easier than gilding metal used often on lead cored bullets.

I admit they are on the expensive side, and are not my first choice for target shooting. I use Sierra Match bullets for that.

If I were to hunt any kind of game, the TSX would most likely be my first choice. If I were hunting for pelts, then I would definitely use a different, more suitable bullet for that.

-Patriot

Ramrod · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2005, 12:55:35 PM »

Call me a dinosaur, but I still think a real bullet has a lead core, and tip. Putting a piece of plastic onto what was supposed to be a "Premium" all copper bullet just proves how gulible the buyers are to marketing hype.
It's your money to throw away as you see fit.

Lawdog · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2005, 01:56:41 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero

DannoBoone/Moderator

My mistake, I should have posted this in the Handloader Section I guess.
That's what I get for not being able to sleep.

Again: Sorry

No need to be sorry. You posted in the right forum. These bullets, called the MRX, is only going to be made available to Federal Cartridge Company. They are not going to be offered to the reloading public any time soon, if ever. The following is a copy of an e-mail sent to me by Ty Herring, Barnes Bullets, Customer Service Director in response to my asking about these bullets.

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Hi Gary

Thanks for the email. Yes we are comming out with a new bullet called the MRX. It is basically a Triple Shock Bullet with a Polymer tip and a tungsten core in the rear.

Federal Cartridge will be loading it in ammunition form. I'm not sure if it will be available as a reloading component just yet. Try me back in a few weeks and I will know more.

We Aim to please, reloading is a great hobby, enjoy it.

Ty Herring
Barnes Bullets
Customer Service Director
P.O. Box 215
American Fork
Utah 84003
Tel 801-756-4222
1-800-574-9200
Fax 801-756-4222
Email: email@barnesbullets.com
http://www.barnesbullets.com <http://www.barnesbullets.com>

Don't be looking for these bullets any time soon, if ever, for reloading purposes. If you want them then you will have to buy Federal ammo already loaded with them. Lawdog

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2005, 03:35:29 PM »

Ramrod wrote:

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Call me a dinosaur, but I still think a real bullet has a lead core, and tip. Putting a piece of plastic onto what was supposed to be a "Premium" all copper bullet just proves how gulible the buyers are to marketing hype.

I do agree on what you said about putting a plastic tip onto an already excellent bullet (my opinion). I don't think it makes any noticeable difference other than looks of the design (again, my opinion). In fact, some of the most accurate bullets out there (Sierra Matchking being one of the most popular) utilize a hollowpoint, not a plastic tip.

So it could be a marketing ploy to try and recieve a few cents more per, boost overall sales, or both.

-Patriot

nomosendero · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2005, 04:02:46 PM »

Greybeard
The title was somewhat careless, as no one would logically expect the tip
to be called a ballistic tip. I should have used the term poly tip, plastic tip,
etc. So, Sir, my humble apology concerning the inaccuracy.

I inaccurately used the term Bal. Tip like I sometimes say Band Aid instead of adhesive strip, Coke instead of a Pepsi or other soft drink I may
be drinking & so on. But, it was a mistake & I will view my post with
extreme care before I make another post!!!

nomosendero · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2005, 04:25:00 PM »

Patroit_1776

There is a definite reason for a synthetic tip instead of a hollow point. One
disadvantage of the X bullet design is the fact that the tip would open up
only a little at the tip when the velocity dropped off due to quite long range with a magnum or medium long range for a moderate case. This is no secret & Barnes's own testing bears this out & is viewable by anyone.
The X already has a small hollowpoint & a bigger hole would only help a
little on expansion but then hurt BC.
The poly or syn. tip makes expansion certain at any sain range & increases the BC over any other other design & that is a logical fact which
means IT AIN'T NO PLOY!!

nomosendero · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2005, 04:34:28 PM »

Lawdog
From this E-Mail it does not look good for reloads in the short term, but
from what I have heard, they may be available later, let's hope so.

I understand that Barnes spent big bucks for the machines for this project
& no doubt it will depend on how fast they can get their R.O.I. If that is
slow with the factory ammo, they will no doubt crank out the bullets for reloading!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2005, 04:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Patriot_1776

Ramrod wrote:

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Call me a dinosaur, but I still think a real bullet has a lead core, and tip. Putting a piece of plastic onto what was supposed to be a "Premium" all copper bullet just proves how gulible the buyers are to marketing hype.

I do agree on what you said about putting a plastic tip onto an already excellent bullet (my opinion). I don't think it makes any noticeable difference other than looks of the design (again, my opinion). In fact, some of the most accurate bullets out there (Sierra Matchking being one of the most popular) utilize a hollowpoint, not a plastic tip.

So it could be a marketing ploy to try and recieve a few cents more per, boost overall sales, or both.

-Patriot

Patriot_1776 it is not just a plastic tip onto an already excellent bullet. It is a shorter bullet with a tungsten rear core to add weight & reduce length. It also has 4 groves where the TSX has 3. No marketing ploy, I think that is such a misused phrase here. It is new technology. Don't you think if car makers came out with the same cars year after year it would be boring?

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2005, 05:54:16 PM »

Redhawk1,

At this time, I don't see any need for improving a relatively new bullet. What I'm saying is, the TSX pretty much covers all aspects sought out of a premium hunting bullet: penetration, expansion, weight retention. All of these are necessary for a humane kill, and the TSX satisfies all three. Is it time for a new bullet already?

But before I say too much, I'll just wait and see what comes out, how it performs, and the general consensus of the product.

The 180gr. .308" TSX has 4 grooves in the shank. It pretty much depends on the overall length of the bullet.

-Patriot

Graybeard · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2005, 06:23:47 PM »

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But, it was a mistake & I will view my post with
extreme care before I make another post!!!

Wasn't that big a deal. I called it to your attention mostly cuz Nosler is a sponsor of this site and do own the copy right on the BT name. :lol:

I believe the article I read on this bullet said Barnes has been working on it for at least 8 years. Their ultimate goal is to produce it with a boat tail base not flat base. So far they've not figured out how to do that and get what they consider acceptable accuracy. Me thinks with a tunsten rear core they may never. If they did then they might sell it for reloaders. Dunno.

Jaydub in Wi · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2005, 06:53:57 PM »

Mark me down as barnes x bullet fan #4. Nothing but great results, and I haven't even tried the tsx bullets yet.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:58:03 AM »

Quote from: Jaydub in Wi

Mark me down as barnes x bullet fan #4. Nothing but great results, and I haven't even tried the tsx bullets yet.

I think we need to start a Barnes fan club. :-D

How about that Graybeard, can we have our own area. LOL :-D

Graybeard · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:34:43 AM »

You already do. It's called The Trash Can. :eek: :-D

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2005, 11:34:31 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

You already do. It's called The Trash Can. :eek: :-D

Your killing me. :-D

But I did get a good laugh out of that. Not bad for a Barnes Hater.

Lawdog · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2005, 01:54:09 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero

Lawdog
From this E-Mail it does not look good for reloads in the short term, but
from what I have heard, they may be available later, let's hope so.

I understand that Barnes spent big bucks for the machines for this project
& no doubt it will depend on how fast they can get their R.O.I. If that is
slow with the factory ammo, they will no doubt crank out the bullets for reloading!

Not really. Barnes just took a few of the machines that were making other not so popular Barnes bullets and switched them over. The project is mostly funded by Federal Cartridge Company.

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One
disadvantage of the X bullet design is the fact that the tip would open up
only a little at the tip when the velocity dropped off due to quite long range with a magnum or medium long range for a moderate case.

Actually according to Barnes their X bullets(all designs, X, XLC & TSX) will open completely at velocities down to 1,400 fps. You will find at that velocity many bullets don't open/function properly. Even plastic/polymer tipped bullets. I have used 45 gr. .224 XLC bullets out of my .22 Hornet and had them open at ranges where the velocity was down blow 1,000 fps. and they opened completely. Dont worry about Barnes bullets opening, they do. Give them a try and find out for yourself. Lawdog

poncaguy · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:51:11 PM »

I just got some Corbon 308 168 grain DPX for my Handi, which are loaded with a Barnes bullet. Will let you know if they are accurate or not..........

nomosendero · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:28:04 PM »

Lawdog
I have used them alot & will keep using them for some of my hunting.
I don't have a need to argue, but let me just say that they don't open enough for alot of long range shooters I know. I have looked at test from Barnes & I don't want to have to look it up but at reduced velocities they
don't expand enough to suit me, I don't want to say what yardage because it will start a whole new, senseless discussion, as I know my
range limitations. Handloader had a great article showing how much the
X & other bullets expand at various velocities, I don't want to take the time
to look for that either, (Probably take me 2-3 hours) but no, they do not
open up as much as I would like at long range in soft tissue, if others
think they do, fine! That is one of the reasons for the tip, in addition to
a higher BC, plain & simple!
The TSX is the most versatile bullet that I am aware of, but it does not do
absolutely everything better & no one should expect it to.

nomosendero · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:36:51 PM »

Yesterday, I received a e-mail from Ty Herring, stating that the bullets will
be available for reloaders, starting with 270, 7mm & 30 Cal. with others to
follow later in 2006.
I guess they are moving faster than expected.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2005, 05:16:00 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero

Yesterday, I received a e-mail from Ty Herring, stating that the bullets will
be available for reloaders, starting with 270, 7mm & 30 Cal. with others to
follow later in 2006.
I guess they are moving faster than expected.

Great news. :-D

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2005, 06:44:45 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero

Yesterday, I received a e-mail from Ty Herring, stating that the bullets will
be available for reloaders, starting with 270, 7mm & 30 Cal. with others to
follow later in 2006.
I guess they are moving faster than expected.

Crap - I foresee many more hours working up new loads... :wink:

Sakojake · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2005, 03:10:52 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

Quote from: Jaydub in Wi
Mark me down as barnes x bullet fan #4. Nothing but great results, and I haven't even tried the tsx bullets yet.

I think we need to start a Barnes fan club. :-D

How about that Graybeard, can we have our own area. LOL :-D

Put me down as a Fan. I think Rifle mag had an article on this new bullet in the Nov/Dec issue. Lets hope we'll get the component for reloading sooner rather than later.

poncaguy · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2005, 04:20:50 AM »

My Handi 308 shoots Remington, Fusions and Winchesters great, but the Barnes 168's I tried are horrible in it. Might try somes 150's if I can find them( factory loads), or start my handloading. Otherwise, I agree with Graybeard, not accurate for me.

Lawdog · « **Reply #27 on:** November 13, 2005, 09:28:03 AM »

Quote from: poncaguy

My Handi 308 shoots Remington, Fusions and Winchesters great, but the Barnes 168's I tried are horrible in it. Might try somes 150's if I can find them( factory loads), or start my handloading. Otherwise, I agree with Graybeard, not accurate for me.

For all the shooters that are having problems getting good accuracy with Barnes bullets I believe that it is due to the fact that many are loading the bullets too far out. Barnes bullets like to be loaded deeper(between thirty to seventy thousands of an inch off the lands) than regular bullets. I too used to have problems getting good accuracy until I started loading them deeper. I believe the other Barnes fans will agree. Just a hint if you haven't tried it. Lawdog

nomosendero · « **Reply #28 on:** November 13, 2005, 01:39:38 PM »

Lawdog

You are 100% right!
I have seen the exact same mistake of people seating the bullets too far out, I know that is an easy mistake to make since alot of conventional bullets do better seated out, but these are not conventional bullets. Barnes
warns about this in their reloading manual.

Another problem & this is a mind blower to me, but some have tried the
older regular X bullet which alot of barrels don't like, & then wrote them
off & when the TSX came out which is super accurate & more barrels will
shoot it they did not give it a try. I find that most guns will shoot the TSX.

Lawdog · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2005, 09:56:39 AM »

nomosendero,

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Another problem & this is a mind blower to me, but some have tried the
older regular X bullet which alot of barrels don't like, & then wrote them
off & when the TSX came out which is super accurate & more barrels will
shoot it they did not give it a try. I find that most guns will shoot the TSX.

Only one thing to say to that, you are 100% right. :yeah: Lawdog