Ya thats the one I'm looking at, how do you rate fit and finish, have other traditions weaponns (primitive), wow you said 80 grains max, shhezzzz sounds like a true hand cannon , does that safty work good? I'm looking at the same gun you have and have a pistol scope for it, I think with in 40 yards and scoped it would be a fun and accurate shooter, I see traditions came out this year a .45 nickle and fluted barrel that one would be fun as well. thanks for the input. kjg