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« on: October 31, 2005, 04:07:50 PM »
ok,i'm gonna buy some barrels.....i've made up my mind about a deer barrel (7mm-08)but what is the best medium range barrel for foxes,yotes,bobcats and heck,even armadillos,lol?

keep in mind that i don't reload and i've got a handi rifle,so i guess my options are .223 and .22 hornet
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 04:21:05 PM »
Depending on the range, some would consider the 22 mag good for those critters, too!! And a complete rimfire Sportster can be had for not much more than the cost of a barrel. :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2005, 04:21:22 PM »
223 would be a good start.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2005, 04:30:43 PM »
max range 200 yards,and yes,that's a good point about the sportster
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 04:49:18 PM »
200yds is too far for the 22mag and really pushing it for the Hornet, specially on yotes....the .223 would be ideal for a centerfire caliber, though!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2005, 04:50:11 PM »
how about the .17 hornady mag?
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2005, 04:57:57 PM »
The 17hmr is more accurate than most 22mags, but with just a 20gr load, not a lot of energy for yotes, either past 100yds or so. If you want the 200yd capability, I'd stick with the .223! The .223 45gr Win White box stuff sells for $12-$13 for 40 of em, so they don't cost a lot to shoot factory ammo....and it's the gold standard for accuracy in a Handi!!! :wink:
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2005, 04:58:35 PM »
Both are great varment rounds. Advantage of the .223 is that it is a centerfire round, packs more of a punch, can be reloaded, and bought in bulk cheap. The new .17HMR is a rimfire round that offers a flat flight patteren, and longer range than your standard .22LR. I think my next varment gun is going to be chambered in .17HMR because I'm a fan of the rimfire, and I plan to pickup an AR-15 chambered in .223 for comp. shooting next spring.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2005, 05:01:10 PM »
Tim,you're a lifesaver,I really appreciate all the advice,I'll be ordering the barrels tomorrow...they already have my gun   :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2005, 05:06:39 PM »
They have 5 different .223 barrels...22" stainless standard contour #223S, 22" standard contour #223 , 22" bull #323, 24" bull #823 and 24" fluted bull(dunno the number!)......
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2005, 05:08:59 PM »
ok,enlighten me,which do you suggest?
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2005, 05:11:14 PM »
phatspeed,thanks for the input,also
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2005, 05:13:08 PM »
Carry gun= standard 22" standard contour.  Mostly bipod, bench or colony shooting= 24" bull, fluted if you want to spend the extra $$!!
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2005, 05:19:48 PM »
Quickdtoo, They have another 223 barrel  20inch light weight.
 I know I have one, It's Wayne's to bored out to 25-35.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2005, 05:26:07 PM »
Marv's right, the 20" superlight with barrel sights #SY3....but I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a lot of patience!!
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2005, 05:30:47 PM »
Quickdtoo, I got SL3 without sights has scope base,and hammer extension. Marv.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2005, 05:41:31 PM »
nope,I've already got the .243 superlight,that's why the gun's at the factory NOW cuz it won't shoot a decent group,i'll prolly get the bull barrel
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2005, 05:42:07 PM »
Or you can get the SL3 with scope base.....but you'll still need a lot of patience!!!! :roll:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Or you can order a SY3 with a scope base!!! They'll do it anyway ya like........ 8)
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2005, 05:44:07 PM »
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nope,I've already got the .243 superlight,that's why the gun's at the factory NOW cuz it won't shoot a decent group,i'll prolly get the bull barrel


I hear ya, the .243 Superlight is probably the most condemned Handi of the bunch, although with a lot of TLC, they can be made to shoot. Just ask NZhoward or Perklo!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2005, 05:47:29 PM »
yeah,i'm letting the factory look at it first,it shoots HORRIBLE 150 yard groups (10-12 inches is a GOOD day)but if they can't find anything wrong with it i'll tinker with it some and if i can't fix it i'll try to find it a loving home,lol
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2005, 03:36:08 PM »
I think the Handi in .223rem makes the perfect medium range type all-around rifle for medium size varmints. The ultramax ammo (these are factory reloads) in 52 or 55 grain makes a very accurate and economical load-- at least they are one good option of many. I love my setup in .223 remington with 1-3V Weaver scope.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2005, 04:17:16 PM »
how well will a .204 ruger work on yotes? anyone tried it?
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2005, 04:35:13 PM »
Silver Fox over on Predatormasters loves the .204 for yotes, it's fur friendly and puts em down with the heavier .204" bullets!

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=5&Number=52163387&Searchpage=1&Main=52162788&Words=204+ruger+coyotes+Silverfox&topic=&Search=true#Post52163387
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2005, 05:54:49 PM »
223 or 204 Ruger.  I have a 223 Ultra Varmint and it is very accurate with the 45 GR Winchester varmint rounds.  The 223 would be much cheaper to shoot.
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2005, 06:07:45 PM »
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The 223 would be much cheaper to shoot.


For factory ammo, but not for a handloader, brass is readily available now..... :wink:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=456499

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=385200
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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2005, 06:28:34 PM »
yeah but how i understand it, the powder used in the .204 is not available to the public and so you will not get the numbers they get out of it.

you might as well buy the .223 and get cheap ammo and be able to reload. because otherwise you pay 75 cents a shot for factory stuff and then reload and end up with a .223 anyway, basically.

correct me if i am wrong, this is just what i have understood from what others have explained to me.

i sold my .204 for this reason, also because i never used the encore the way its designed...i only used the .204 barrel and wanted a new toy lol.

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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2005, 06:35:15 PM »
Matt, you're listening to the wrong sources.... Ask Mitchell how his .204 shoots!! He's using BL-C2 and 40gr Vmax, IIRC.....Ask anyone actually shooting the .204, check out the PM board at the link above....You certainly haven't read any of Silver Fox's posts, or you wouldn't have said that. :roll:

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/204ruger.php
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2005, 06:37:13 PM »
nah i just meant that i heard you supposedly can't reproduce the factory stats, thats all.

i know all about mitchell's .204. quite a shooter.

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2005, 06:39:43 PM »
that link seems to say the same thing i have heard....the max load in the 40 grain bullet is 3778 fps. the factory load is 3990.

i know the factory might overstate it but all i was saying was that i HAVE HEARD from people who reload, that you cant duplicate it or surpass like you can with other calibers because of the "secret mixture" of the powder.

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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2005, 06:51:34 PM »
The data at the links below isn't that much different from the Hornady factory loads. Optimum barrel length for the .204 Ruger is 23", right in the ball park for an Ultra or a Handi...

http://www.bullberry.com/204Rugerdata.html

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=5&Number=52183430&Searchpage=1&Main=52183384&Words=204+velocity+Silverfox&topic=&Search=true#Post52183430

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=5&Number=52172233&Searchpage=1&Main=52172017&Words=204+velocity+Silverfox&topic=&Search=true#Post52172233

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=ballistics/popup&product_sku=83204

The 40gr factory load is rated at 3900fps...

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=ballistics/popup&product_sku=83206

And a little snippet from Ruger 204.com which states your position on the handload vs factory...

http://www.204ruger.com/204_Ruger_sierra.pdf

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The .204 Ruger is based on the old .222 Remington Magnum. Moving the shoulder forward and sharpening its angle gives the new round a slight, but definite capacity edge over any similar wildcats based on the .223 Remington case. The result is a cartridge that handily cracks the 4,000 fps barrier in its factory loadings. Handloaders can approach this level of performance through judicious powder selection, but will find it difficult to better the factory velocities.
In our range testing, the cartridge has proven itself capable of delivering
outstanding accuracy, fully equal to the more established .22 caliber offerings. Hodgdon’s H322 has become one of our favorites in this cartridge, delivering good velocities and pin-point precision.
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