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« on: November 05, 2005, 04:08:18 AM »
ALRIGHT!  Plenty of Handi Enthusiests on this site. :grin:   I am looking to buy my first handi this month.  I have been a fan for a long while but am just getting around to getting one, ya know how it goes.  In any case the particular rifle I am getting is wood stock handi rifle.  I have been doing my homework and most people who take the rifle range seriously are floating the barrels on their Handi rifles.  This is an old time trick with all rifles for better performance.  But the handis are a different breed with a break open action and all.  Was wondering if any of you kind folk could enlighten me on the complete process of floating a the barrrel on my new Handi?  Pictures would be great if ya have them.  Thanks in advance for all of your help.

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2005, 05:20:55 AM »
Welcome aboard, Striker!! Glad ya took me up on the invite at PM!! I think if you read the stickys, you'll find just about everything that ya need to know about what can be done to a Handi. I would recommend you not do anything until the barrel is cleaned and lapped and you've shot quite a few rounds thru it, they'll take 100-200 rounds down range to settle down, even with lapping, sometimes more without. Keep in mind that what works on one rifle, doesn't necessarily work on another, they're as different as us shooters!! :wink: A few pics below, for ya....

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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2005, 10:07:58 AM »
Striker --- Welcome

Quick is right about every rifle is different , My .223 bull barrel shot sub MOA right out of the box .

Now my .450 marlin on the other hand shoots more like a shotgun  and the .270 is some were in between .

Most defiantly check the stickys for loads of info on getting Handi's to shoot , and then enjoy , their fun guns to shoot  :D
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2005, 11:02:51 AM »
Quick,BEAUTIFUL rifles,all of 'em,thanks for the pics :D
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2005, 11:19:04 AM »
Thanks!! I really need to do a new family group photo, the old one is missing a bunch of the clan!!

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2005, 11:53:19 AM »
Hey Guys thanks for the input, and Thanks to you QUICK for giving me the lead to this forum.  I'll be around for a while so watch out :grin: .  until next time God Bless!

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2005, 12:08:16 PM »
Glad yer here!!!  :wink: After ya check out the stickys, if ya got questions, we got answers!!!
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2005, 06:41:53 PM »
Wow thanks for pointing me to those stickies.  I liked the sticky about doing your own trigger job.  People say that factory Ruger MK I & MK II triggers are not adjustable, But I did mine in a similar fashion and it worked great.  So to have those pics and instructions are a great help.  Also where I am planning on buying a new handi, it is nice to know that I need to give them a Thorough cleaning because of so much factorie debris.  However I must admit.  They lost me a little when They started talking about Lapping.  What exactly are they reffering to?  What is lapping, and what are the benefits of lapping your barrel?  Sorry If I am a bit slow  :? , but I have a feeling that this is pertinent info.  I appreciate your patience, and help.

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2005, 06:51:53 PM »
In the context of what is meant is not lapping. Lapping a gun barrel is something totally different and is not recommended to be done by amateurs.

What is meant is polishing the barrel with a paste like J-B or a liquid call Flitz.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2005, 06:56:16 PM »
Thanks for the Help fred.  Appreciate it. :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2005, 07:31:04 PM »
Lapping is actually done with a lead slug on a rod and using a lapping compound, but for our purposes, the goal is the same, to smooth the bore.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2005, 06:19:27 AM »
While Fred is correct...but for us Handi enthuisist...there really isn't a great deal of difference between the 2 methods..especially with a super tight mop & patch...both can be a struggle to do correctly...and both can be rewarding if done correctly..depending on how rough the bore is...

As to the bedding issues...I tried something a little different with my 270 Ultra-Comp...instead of just doing a o-ring...I used Permatx RTV silcon gasket material...it gave me pretty good results and is a breeze to use.basiclly you'll be bedding the whole barrel with a flexable compound..it does have some give to it...and it remains flexable after it dries....http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=74863

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2005, 03:53:04 PM »
Very interesting and good job on your bedding of your .270 Mac.  It makes me ponder if I should glass bed my handi rifles  now.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2005, 04:50:25 PM »
Tim.
When precision barrel makers lap a bore it is not done to smoothen the bore, that is only a secondary consideration since the barrels are already smooth.

Lapping is done to bring the barrel to the exact required dimension and remove any inconsistencies. The machining of either Button rifling or cut rifling is kept slightly undersize since this process can't achieve exact dimensions, specially when stress relieving  is requred.

Hence  the expensive barrels are lapped to size and uniformaty and to remove any tooling marks. The lap is rotated every 4-5 strokes. After some lapping a new lap is poured until the finasl dimenion is achieved. A lap is not just a lead slug, but poured into the bore and is about 4-5" long. We are talking match barrels. Lapping is the work of an artist.


Just for the record, what is being done on a Handi is not lapping but polishing. Just from what I have seen  with a 22x bore scope on several button rifled Handi barrels, is that they are very smooth, excessive polishing will do more harm than good because of the shallow grooves. Consideration should also be given to proper terminoligy for new shooters.
Shoot and clean for 20 rounds will put a Handi barrel in service.


Many of the fine rim fire barrels get a choke lapped in of about 0.0002. Bill Calfee of PS Shooting will attest to that fact.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »
Wow, Each Time I come in to check on my posts I am suprised to find yet another helpful reply to my questions.  A great deal of thanks to all of you good people for you thoughtful replys to help a newby.  Much appreciated! Thanks Again.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2005, 05:30:36 PM »
Well, I guess I am an artist cuz I've lapped a custom muzzleloader bore with a 6" lead slug that was poured in the muzzle end of the barrel with a rod already inserted in the bore, the lead slug ending up molded on the end of the rod.  I'll not do it again though, it took forever! But the results were worth it!!

But I'll continue to polish the bores of my Handis as long as they shoot as good as they do, I'd rather spend a few dollars less for rounds down range and range time and a little more time in the shop polishing as long as the results are good. 20 rounds to a sub moa group for is not the norm for most out of the box Handis as the record of many posts here will bear witness to. :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2005, 06:54:25 PM »
Final handlapping/polishing is done with patches and mops by a few custom barrel makers and correct terminology is being used here...since a lapping medium is being introduced to the bore...yes..there are lead slugs poured in to start...but as Fred has said..most of the bores are already fairly smooth to begin with and most of us wouldn't sacrifice the first 1" of barrel at the muzzle to do it as most custom makers do...... With the super tight mop&patch..the Flitz can be  applied and pushed thru...and dropped off the end without damaging the muzzle.Flitz is courser than JB paste..and care must be taken when using making sure to keep the rod clean and straight...and if needed..jb Bore Bright is applied the same way and used a the finish up polishing.. ...I've done this on all of my Handi's...and I think it does help...over the old shoot and clean only method..especially with the fouling...

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