Author Topic: What Would Indicate A Need To "Bugout"? (Read 7448 times)

BamBams · « **on:** November 06, 2005, 08:17:04 AM »

There are numerous reasons why we might have to suddenly leave our home to survive - from riots to FEMA, from earthquakes to floods.

But "when" do we leave? What would indicate to YOU a need to leave?

williamlayton · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2005, 09:17:22 AM »

From my recent experience--before you know you will have to leave.
Actually, when you see the danger forming-riot, floods, hurricanes- why waste the time waiting, wait where you were gonna go and wait there. You can always come back and say "aw shucks" I coulda stayed, a whole lot easier than saying "aw shucks" I shoulda left before now.
Anywho--thats what I'm gonna be sayin tha next time and I am coming to Colrado--to your MO-bile home on tha side of tha mountain. I coulda made the trip there as fast as I made it Salado, if I had left in time.
Blessings

BamBams · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2005, 10:26:07 AM »

You're welcome to come and visit any time Bill.

briarpatch · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2005, 11:32:57 AM »

Bugging out is difficult for most people that have families. As we get older our children have their own lives and jobs which they just cant leave on every whim or pretense so we find ourselves having to wait until it is to late in most cases.
I feel now that the best thing to do is try to prepare a place or home to hole up in where you can keep in touch with each other and keep things as normal and safe as possible.
If it gets to point that this is not good enough have a plan to leave which may be in the middle of the night and walking.
It will be up to you and me to take care of our families if such should be required. Briarpatch

Nixter · « **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2005, 09:02:55 AM »

Time to bug-out?

Before it's time.

In time of riots, martial law might be instituted. No one in or out of the area.

Hurricane or other semi-predictable natural occurance, before the panic and the highways get congested.

An instance where there is no warning? Stay put and protect you and yours with adequate supplies.

These thoughts from a neophyte in these matters.

Discussion welcome.

Nixter

myronman3 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2005, 03:33:52 AM »

as i watched the traffic jams, i was thinking how sheepish we have become. people just sitting there in their vehicles. why not leave the paved road in order to keep putting distance between you and the threat?

in that situation, you have to do what you have to do. i love the story of the kid that stole a bus, loaded it full of people, and got the hell of of there. kid deserves a metal.

williamlayton · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2005, 07:06:01 AM »

Well I can answer that one, though I think you are correct.
Many of the exits were blocked by the boys and I was unable to do some of the back roads til I was well clear of Houston--15 hours later.
Blessings

Dee · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2006, 05:49:51 PM »

Have a plan. You can move in increments as the situation deteriorates many times. If the authorities say go. Go. Have in mind what you would take and where it is located before you need to get it together and leave.

S.S. · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2006, 04:12:35 AM »

When the position you are holding can no longer be Held !
That is when it is time to go.
Be it from weather or water or enemy action.
That is normally the greatest cause of failure,
is not using the sense God gave you and realizing when
it is time to go ! That is why there was such a problem when
Katrina hit. People thought that something created by
man could stop something created by God. Utter Folly
on their Part.

Dee · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2006, 12:40:46 PM »

Quote from: S.Sumner on September 06, 2006, 04:12:35 AM

When the position you are holding can no longer be Held !
That is when it is time to go.
Be it from weather or water or enemy action.
That is normally the greatest cause of failure,
is not using the sense God gave you and realizing when
it is time to go ! That is why there was such a problem when
Katrina hit. People thought that something created by
man could stop something created by God. Utter Folly
on their Part.

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S.S. · « **Reply #10 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:48:31 AM »

Sad Thing is, THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN !
Rebuilding a City, On the coast, 18 feet below sea level !
Is there no Common Sense being used at all ?

Almtnman · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2006, 02:10:23 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on November 26, 2005, 03:33:52 AM

as i watched the traffic jams, i was thinking how sheepish we have become. people just sitting there in their vehicles. why not leave the paved road in order to keep putting distance between you and the threat?

The problem there was most people waited too long to leave. If you know a problem is going to occur, get out as soon as possible, don't just sit there waiting on everyone to leave at same time.

Have a contact point for family members away from the area or a phone number of a relative away from the area for other family members to check in with.

mtnbkr1 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2007, 03:36:14 PM »

The problem is most people there are DEPENDANT!!!!!!!!!!They don't have the mind set or the ability to fend for themselves,bug-out etc.I fear that most Americans are becoming that way also.They won't buck the corrupt system because it might make life uncomfortable for them and to them comfort and convenience are as necessary as oxygen.Look around at the people who would be willing to give up freedoms for security.I say , give me freedom and I'll take care of my own security!!!!!!!

corbanzo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:35:00 AM »

I tend to try and stay out of those situations in which my surroundings can control me. I stay in small places to avoid the people harms, and the terrain around me is rough enough to protect me. Sound strange? Not really. If we are hit with a tidal wave (on the coast, and its happened before) I have to walk about 500 yards to climb the nearest mountain. We have earthquakes, but it is easy to get out in the open, cause there is no big buildings. No lightning, no tsunamis (what we call huricanes in the pacific) etc. I really dont understand living in costal florida or other places where there is a good chance of you losing everything.... I guess for me where I live I wouldnt have much reason to run... but that also means that if I did feel uncomfotable in a place, I would leave as soon as I got that bad feeling.....

countryrebel8174 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 15, 2007, 11:06:47 PM »

Quote from: mtnbkr1 on February 17, 2007, 03:36:14 PM

The problem is most people there are DEPENDANT!!!!!!!!!!They don't have the mind set or the ability to fend for themselves,bug-out etc.I fear that most Americans are becoming that way also.They won't buck the corrupt system because it might make life uncomfortable for them and to them comfort and convenience are as necessary as oxygen.Look around at the people who would be willing to give up freedoms for security.I say , give me freedom and I'll take care of my own security!!!!!!!

yep....you could take thier freedoms and take thier guns....but tell em they cant have thier cell phones and all hell will break loose.

coopershooter · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2007, 11:28:18 AM »

I live on the west coast of florida, just above tampa bay, about three miles from the water. if a hurricane bigger than two is going to hit or pass to the north. i'm out! i live in a small town so traffic jams wont be a big deal for me. when i lived an hour south (in saint petersburg) you had to get out much sooner because of the much higher population. and if the bridges back up, you cant lock the hubs in and go around!
bobby.

Almtnman · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2007, 01:20:06 PM »

coopershooter, I was talking with a lady a few days back that lives in Florida and she told me that they keep a bug out bag in their SUV all the time as sometimes they don't know how quick or at what time to move out when a hurricane is approaching.

James B · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2007, 06:31:29 PM »

If Hillary ends up in the white house with Pelosie still the speaker, It may be about time.

Almtnman · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2007, 07:01:20 AM »

If you've been watching the news the last couple of days about the California wild fires, you would see a prime example of a reason to bug out. Some of those folks only had a few minutes to leave and at last count hundreds of thousands were forced to bug out. So, you would want what you needed already packed and loaded to go for natural disasters like that.

And if Hillary and Pelosi are in charge instead of bugging out,we might need to dig in and circle the wagons.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2007, 09:23:27 AM »

its time to bug out when you still have time to get out and establish a safe place to stay , wonder if hotel rooms are easy to get in calf. or any state that is close to the fires ?
no need to wait until fuel is gone , food is gone . you have to get out of the effected area , which may mean you have to get out side the area where the dependent people have been sent , that is if you wish to be in control of your own destiny !

Almtnman · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2007, 12:30:24 PM »

SHOOTALL, to give you an idea of the hotel room situation, I live in NE Alabama and every time a hurricane hits in the Gulf, people evacuate from there. All the hotels and motels are filled to capacity with evacuees in my area with people as far away as 400 to 500 miles or more. The ones that can't find a motel will spend the nights camped out in the rest area on the Interstate not far from where I live. Most of the evacuees that do that have the biggest problem getting gas once they get on the evacuation route as it has already been sold out and it's usually a 300 mile drive to the closest gas station that has gas still in the tanks. So the Gulf coast people have made it a habit to at least carry 2 five gallons containers of gas from home with a full tank in their SUV so they can make it farther up the line where they can fill up the tank. You notice I said SUV, which is not an ugly word with the evacuees as it's their favorite vehicle to do that in as it holds all their supplies and family members and pets, plus can be used to sleep in if a mattress or sleeping bags are carried along.

mrgd · « **Reply #21 on:** April 28, 2008, 03:13:50 AM »

I would have to leave any time I thought that there might be a lack of safe passage to my retreat area. That is unless I have to go mobile. If it was something biological I would definitely want to get out quick before any quarantines.

Chilachuck · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2008, 05:18:21 AM »

I'm reading the "Ring of Fire" series created by Eric Flint and set in the 1630's. Basic scenario; a West Virginia coal mining town gets hit with something that makes it trade places with a patch of German 1630 countryside. It's really taken off among some Europeans who are very familiar with the history of the area, and it's a good fictional account of life in that era.

Well worth reading, even if the series is short on US input and there's some pretty glaring holes where redneck ingenuity should show up.

They had a lot of epidemics back then, and one of the towns described was "happy" that an epidemic killed "only" 30% of the population.

The main method of fighting epidemics in that era was to lock down. The enforcement was to kill anyone who broke quarantine. The reason was to keep the disease from being spread.

Would you risk refugees bringing a deadly disease to your home area and wiping out your family?

Does anyone think others will allow that risk?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM »

nice choice stay and die or leave and die !
guess if you run you only die tired ?

Chilachuck · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2008, 04:24:33 AM »

No, but it's easier to stay clean at home than it is on the road, and cleanliness is a big part of staying disease free. You are also more likely to be able to purify water at home, cook food at home, and wash dishes right at home. All of that means you are less likely to catch whatever is going around.

Lock down and hunker in the bunker, just like people did in the US back before WWII. Families used to go into quarantine for some diseases back then.

DCRthe3rd · « **Reply #25 on:** May 08, 2008, 04:40:14 AM »

Unless you really have to , its usually never a good idea to become a refugee

SharonAnne · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2008, 09:58:28 AM »

if you are already living in your 'retreat' be careful about who you allow to come in an emergency. One fellow had a 'friend', a New Orleans refugee, arrive at his place in a motorhome, with a caravan of about 5 other motorhomes full of HIS friends. Retreat owner received checks for food, fuel etc. His bank said he would be responsible since the New Orleans banks no longer existed. So, his food stores, fuel stores, bank account, all empty. His friend was told, 'do not ever come back'. Like the hair care commercial, and they tell 2 friends and they tell 2 friends.....

rzwieg · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2008, 11:10:35 PM »

That is what Ron Hood calls "The Big Mistake".

My friends and family have a few ideas about our location and I can see that happening.

deltecs · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2008, 01:11:54 PM »

I taught home schooling to my 2 children until the 9th grade. It was required reading by me that they read "Lucifers Hammer". The story is fictitious, but the concept was survival and just what one might expect from a complete natural or man made disaster, including the subsequents causes and affects of man. Since my family and I have lived remotely in Alaska for over 28 years with no other year round residents within 20 miles by boat, we have made some amazing and interesting discoveries. One is that no one is completely independent of society or products produced within a peaceful and regimented country. Keep a non perishable supply of food that lasts one at least a year in the pantry. You cannot have too many tools, especially hand types from drills, saws, to wrenches of every kind. Medicine stockpiled in original unbroken seals, especially anti bacterial like neosporin, iodine, and flu meds. A very healthy supply of reloading tools, equipment, powders, brass, primers and bullets, for all weapons stored in air tight containers. An overabundance of clothing including shoes and boots. A complete library of how things work, carpentry by hand books, a thorough knowledge of the flora and fauna in the surrounding area, net making techniques, and a complete knowledge of ropework. Mechanical books on the specific equipment you have available. All this takes a lot of time to learn and cannot be learned when disaster hits. You must think ahead and anticipate every probable and some possible scenarios to determine the best course of action, not reaction. No one is completely safe from every type of disaster and no provisions can be made to prevent one or live through it. Know which ones.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2008, 02:11:22 PM »

deltecs- I agree on reading "Lucifers Hammer". Your insights into remote living are eye opening. Sounds like your children were very lucky to receive such an education.

rz- you see a flood of the great unwashed? My education is lacking. Who is Ron Hood?

my in-laws have a great cabin in a small town. Their childhood home town so they are well known. IF I was still married, that is where I would head. Now, not so much