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Could this be Billy The Kid ???????????
« on: November 12, 2005, 08:15:23 AM »
Sunday, November 6, 2005

Billy The Kid Probe May Yield New Twist

By Rene Romo
Journal Southern Bureau
LAS CRUCES— An ongoing investigation into the fate of Henry McCarty, alias William Bonney, alias Billy the Kid, could still yield a surprising twist in the controversial case.
Without any fanfare, former Lincoln County Sheriff Tom Sullivan and Steve Sederwall last May obtained DNA from the remains of a cowboy, John Miller. Before dying in the 1930s, Miller told friends and a son that he was really Billy the Kid.
Miller's remains were exhumed from the cemetery of the Pioneer Home, a state-owned nursing home in Prescott, Ariz. His DNA is to be examined by a Dallas-based laboratory.
If Miller's DNA matches that of blood traces taken from a 19th-century bench purportedly from the Maxwell Ranch in Fort Sumner, Sederwall and Sullivan say they could have a break that upends accepted historical accounts of the Kid's life and death.
The old bench was discovered last year at the Albuquerque home of Maxwell descendants. It is believed to be the one on which the Kid's body was placed after he was shot by Lincoln County Sheriff Pat Garrett on July 14, 1881, in a darkened bedroom of the Maxwell Ranch.
"Wouldn't it be a coincidence if someone we dug up in Arizona, and who died in 1934 and claimed to be Billy the Kid, bled on that bench? That's like winning the lottery," Sullivan said in a recent interview.
"That would be so coincidental, I would challenge anyone to prove it's not him (Billy the Kid)."
Sederwall acknowledges that what started out as an effort to defend the honor of Garrett against claims that the famous Lincoln County sheriff did not kill the Kid may have taken a new direction.
Sullivan and Sederwall began their investigation in 2003 when Sullivan was sheriff and Sederwall a reserve deputy. But they were rebuffed in their 2003 and 2004 attempts to exhume the Kid's remains in Fort Sumner and those of the outlaw's mother in Silver City.
The Lincoln County investigators wanted to use DNA from the Kid's grave, or that of his mother, to validate the widely accepted story of Garrett's killing of Billy the Kid.
But critics in Fort Sumner and Silver City, as well as history buffs around the country, lambasted Sullivan and Sederwall, saying the Kid's death and burial in DeBaca County was well established.
Fort Sumner officials, in particular, fretted that the investigation would undermine the value of the Kid's grave there as a tourist destination.
In the decades after the Kid's demise, several old men emerged claiming they were Billy the Kid. One would-be Billy was Ollie P. "Brushy Bill" Roberts of Hico, Texas. Another was John Miller, the subject of a book called "Whatever Happened to Billy the Kid" by Helen Airy.
While Sederwall and Sullivan have both been commissioned as special deputies by current Lincoln County Sheriff Rick Virden, Sederwall said their investigation does not use county funds.
Sederwall said he expected the analysis of Miller's DNA to be completed by the end of the year or January.
If Miller's DNA matches what is presumed to be the Kid's on the bench, the news will be publicized by Bill Kurtis, anchor of the A&E Network weekly series "American Justice," Sederwall said.
He said Kurtis, head of Chicago-based Kurtis Productions, has an "exclusive deal" to publicize the news because Kurtis has helped pay for some costs associated with the investigation.
Sederwall, who is also the mayor of Capitan and a history buff, said Miller's skeletal remains were intriguing. He said Miller had buck teeth, like the Kid, and an old bullet wound that entered his upper left chest and exited through the scapula.
"If that DNA matches the work bench, I think the game is over," Sederwall said.
If not, he said, investigators will try to obtain permission to exhume the remains of Roberts, who is buried in Hamilton, Texas.

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Re: Could this be Billy The Kid ???????????
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 09:12:36 PM »
Hello everyone.
I saw a recent program about the results of this test on History Channel.  The DNA tests were negative.  Neither Miller nor the other guy claiming to be Billy were in fact Billy.  Other notes from the story:  Comments from Garrett's deputy about the shooting and forensic investigations, among other stuff they've uncovered since indicate that Garrett may have actually gone to the room of the sister of the man Billy was staying with, as Billy was in love with her.  Garrett tied her up and gagged her, and murdered the Kid when he came to see her.  She later moved away, and they showed a photo of her son, and the son looked almost exactly like the one photo of the Kid.

However, I'm not that concerned about the speculation surrounding the Kid's death.  After all, he was himself a cold blooded killer.  So in the long run AFAIC he got what he had coming.


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Re: Could this be Billy The Kid ???????????
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 03:12:45 AM »
I just had to drop in here for a look around and it is all Williamlayton's fault for bringing up this forum in a recent thread in the potbelly forum.

I do believe that there was even more testing done on the kid after the DNA procedures. The later testing involved using photographs and computer equipment that are capable of measuring the distance of one's eyes from each other with a very high degree of accuracy. The pictures of Billy, Brushy Bill Roberts, and a third guy who's name I disremember did not match when ran on this equipment. I am sorry to say that I cannot provide any references on that testing at this time

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Re: Could this be Billy The Kid ???????????
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 03:49:00 PM »
A question? If the man shot at the Maxwell ranch was not Billy then why would anyone's DNA claiming to be Billy  match that on the bench? There was enough controversy to question whether Garret actualy shot Billy. As to Billy being a cold blooded killer, that depends on who's side you were on during the Linvoln County War. To this day, many concider Billy a hero doing what time and circumstance forced him to do.