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Offline tipiguy

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« on: November 14, 2005, 03:48:10 AM »
Ok, I need help understanding the learning curve.

I have been going out and trying to learn to predator call (fox and maybe a yote).  I typically go out for an hour or so and due maybe to calling locations.  I have gone out 6-7 times.

I have actually called in 3 critters.  One red fox, one grey fox, and one I am not sure.  I was so surprised and excited with the first one that I totally missed (I'd have missed an elephant with the shotgun).  But I did learn where to hold the light so that I could actually see the sights.  The second time I was set-up in a spot that was too easily seen by the fox.  He saw me and was gone!  The last time, I was almost there and am now more confident than ever.

My question is, do experienced predator callers usually get the predator once they respond to the call?  I am excited to actually have animals respond but would like to take the next step.  Will animals soon learn to not respond to the call because the last time they did they saw me?  Even if I didn't shoot?  Is the response an uncontrollable urge or something they may choose not to respond to in the future?

Last question, how close are two calling locations?  Can you call in one spot and then walk 400 yards and call again?  Too close?  

Thanks for your help.  I am having a great time!

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2005, 01:46:22 PM »
Dry stands and missed varmints are just part of the game and the fun.  Knowledge comes with experience.  Lawdog
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2005, 07:07:56 PM »
well, considering that it took me three years to call in my first fox, I'd say you're doing exellent! LOL! I didn't have access to very much info when I started, so I pretty much learned the hard way myself.

If you're calling in predators, you've crossed the first major bridge in predator hunting. The one thing I'd recomend is that unless you're using a shotgun, you'll do a lot better with a low powered scope when hunting at night with a spotlight.

You'll just have to adjust your calling set ups as you figure out what went wrong on each one. It takes time, and all the reading in the world can't come close to actual experience, which you'll get very fast if you put in enough calling hours.

As far as the distance between stands, there is no set rule for that either, as the layout of the land you're hunting pretty much dictates the distance you'll need to move. Here's the raw basics of how I decide how far my next stand will be.

If I'm hunting in open, fairly flat terrain, I'll start out calling on lower volume, and bump it up to pretty loud if I've not seen anything in the first few minutes. After I've finished my stand, because I know any predator for a half mile likely heard me, I'll usually go at least that far to the next one.

If I'm hunting thickets, or in steep mountain terrain(pretty much always here in SW VA), I'll stick with lower vlomues, and keep my stands closer together. I have at times only moved a couple hundred yards before setting up again.

Hope this helps?

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 07:25:53 AM »
Jerry Lester, I hunt the Blue Ridge Mountains of VA. I follow CoyoteGods web site and advice, but have had little luck. Have been predator hunting for one year, have called three coyotes in, but they hang up out of reach ( I limit shots to 200yrds).
 I use electronic calls, mouth calls and squeaker. Firearms-243, 12ga pump and 17HMR. I know too many people in South Dakota that kill called coyotes with the 17HMR to discount it. I have found many people in my area very closed mouthed about hunting techniques, I don't know why. I share anything I find with other hunters in this area when they ask.
 I know the coyotes in this area are larger than out west, but they also are well fed, so they act different when called.
 If you have any tidbits or pointers for VA coyotes it would be appreciated. The coyote is the hardest thing I have ever hunted, and that makes it that much better.

Thanks,
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 09:22:16 AM »
Qaz - curious if you are shooting a .243 Win. (easily capable of killing even the largest coyote at 600 yds) why you have a self imposed limit of 200 yds.. Here in the open west most CF rifle shooters would not hesitate taking a shot twice that far with that sort of gun.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2005, 08:01:07 PM »
Quote from: Qaz
Jerry Lester, I hunt the Blue Ridge Mountains of VA. I follow CoyoteGods web site and advice, but have had little luck. Have been predator hunting for one year, have called three coyotes in, but they hang up out of reach ( I limit shots to 200yrds).
 I use electronic calls, mouth calls and squeaker. Firearms-243, 12ga pump and 17HMR. I know too many people in South Dakota that kill called coyotes with the 17HMR to discount it. I have found many people in my area very closed mouthed about hunting techniques, I don't know why. I share anything I find with other hunters in this area when they ask.
 I know the coyotes in this area are larger than out west, but they also are well fed, so they act different when called.
 If you have any tidbits or pointers for VA coyotes it would be appreciated. The coyote is the hardest thing I have ever hunted, and that makes it that much better.

Thanks,
Qaz


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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2005, 03:00:29 AM »
SBK- Where I live in VA, 200yrds is a long shot. If I am not satisfied that the bullet is going into the ground if i miss, I don't pull the trigger.Too many people, too many houses and you can't see that far.
 I guess the biggest reason I don't shoot farther is that I will not shoot into the wood line without seeing what is in the woods
 I heard a stray bullet whizz by my head during deer season one year. Close does count in more than horse shoes!!!

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2005, 10:38:30 AM »
Qaz,

  What part of VA are you in?  I live in Bedford county.  We are starting to get quite a few coyotes, and me and a friend are starting to get into hunting them.   We called in one last year while fox hunting, but he hung up on us.  Maybe this year.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2005, 10:51:36 PM »
Lawdog hit the nail right on the head. VM :D

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2005, 02:01:39 AM »
Johnny Reb, I live at the foot of the Shenandoah Mts.

Here is success for you. I was out calling last evening and everything seemed to be going all right. I didn't feel that I had the best stand location, but it was the best I could find because of the sun and wind direction. I set up and let everything settle down and began to call. I was into it about an hour and nothing. As I was scanning behind me, the direction the wind was blowing, I heard a cow let out a bawl. I turned in time to watch the herd chase something down the fence line. It was either a fox or a coyote, but too dark to tell at that distance. I would have rather shot it, but it was fun to watch the cows chase it.
 I am going out this evening to a different farm and hopefully a little better setup and success. I am still trying to get the hang of this open reed call. It really doesn't sound right to me but it brings the dogs, cats and a few coons and possumns in to the backyard while I practice.

Qaz