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« on: November 23, 2005, 11:53:23 AM »
:D Hey guys :Anyone have a rimfire that they drilled and tapper with iron sights..I  have a smith that will install iron sights for $10 a hole {total $40}...This way I can install a williams peep in the rear scope holes...Or just use the front and rear iron sights....I'm an iron sight shooter especially for squirrels...I Would like to see someones sporter with iron sights....Please post a picture....Thanks Dale
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2005, 12:06:29 PM »
Dale I have one that I did that to and it's a keeper. If I get a chamce I'll post a picture in the next day or so. Happy Thanksgiving....<><.... :grin:

P.S. I think thats a bit steep at $40. $20 is more like it, and thats about the limit. Easy work, about 15 minutes if he takes his time....<><.... :o
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2005, 02:51:44 PM »
Hi. I have ordered a .22 mag ultra and would also like to get a peep sight set up. Does anybody know if a particular williams model would fit the barrel directly? Maybe a peep sight that fits the scope base, then I could trade back and forth? This ismy first post. Just found this great site.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2005, 02:59:44 PM »
:D , Welcome aboard 351 power, this is a great site with much to offer. I think the Willimas WGRS for Handi's will fit right on by utilizing the screw holes for the scope rail but I do not know of a reciever sight that will attach to the scope rail. You will have to have a hole drilled and tapped for a front sight and get some regular stocks to use the iron sights, you cannot get your eye low enough to use iron sights with the Monte Carlo stocks which come on the Ultra's but changing stocks is simple....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2005, 03:33:37 PM »
OK 3006bluffhunter, stand by for incoming. I have taken a picture of my .22LR Sportster with iron sights mounted (from a .22 Hornet) and the synthetic stocks replaced with non Monte Carlo "pallet wood" stocks and sent it to our capable and esteemed Moderator and colleague, Quickdtoo and asked him to post it here for you to see, I hope it helps. The gun is all I wanted it to be, light, handi ( :-D ), and accurate. I shoot Super Colibris out of it mostly for those pesky grey squirrels that raid and ruin my wife's backyard birdfeeders. It's deadly accurate out to 15-20 yards with head shots. It has even accounted for a few crows!!!....<><.... :grin:

Thanks for the help Quick!!!

By the way, if you are going to mount a Williams peep on the rear then you would only need one hole D&T'ed for a front sight ($10) and perhaps one additional hole for the rear sight ($10). If you were going to mount a rear sight as I did on the barrel in the same location other H&R have their rear iron sights mounted (2 holes) and a front sight (1 hole) for a total of $30....<><.... :wink:
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2005, 03:45:27 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I like the stock too much to ever change it. I am mainly looking to keep the weight down and keep the close range shooting fairly quick. Maybe a red dot for close shots. I have a 2.5-10x44 Tasco for longer ranges. Could I switch them and not lose zero? Do I need extra high rings for the Tasco?
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2005, 03:57:44 PM »
I doubt if you could switch sighting options and not loose perfect zero, the bullet impact would be close but I think it would need "dialing in" after switching back and forth from Red Dot to scope and back again. I have 3 different Red Dots mounted on Handi's and they work great. My .22 Mag Sportster (my coyote gun) with a Millet Red Dot is capable of 1" at 100 and does so with the proper ammo. I have a 6.5-20x50 Simmons on my Bull Barreled .223 Limited Edition and I am using medium Millet Angle Locs with great success. Some here don't like the Millet Angle Locs but they work GREAT for me and have never let me down, I can't argue with success and don't want to change what works. Depending on the scope, the eye relief, and the size of the Objective and Ocular bells you may need different rings, hammer clearance is usually the deciding factor. Get the lowest which fit both the gun/scope combination and YOU so that you can shoot accurately and comfortable and don't forget the hammer spur for safe and easy cocking of the hammer..Good Luck and let us know how things work out, any more questions just ask and some here will venture an opinion  :-D  :-D , as I have....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2005, 05:05:01 PM »
As MSP said, the Williams WGRS will bolt right on to the rear 2 scope bases holes in the barrel, all you need then is a front sight. Check out the peep sight sticky near the top of the NEF/H&R Centerfire forum, here's a direct link...

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=64605

Here's the pic as requested. :wink:

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2005, 08:37:33 PM »
I was poking around in the 2005 retail price list and on the second to last page - the right hand page if you open it up in front of you - under Additional Services and Accessories, there is a "Factory Rifle Sight Installation" paragraph. Says they will fit on "any stardard scoped rifle barrel...the same fully adjustable rifle sights found on our other models." Then they say "Use of sights with Monte Carlo stocks is not recommended."

Price is shown as $42.00 + $7.50 S&H. So, $49.50 for D&T and the sights. That is if you like the NEF style of sight. Maybe they'd just D&T and install a front sight instead.

By the way, I have a Browning T-bolt peep sight that fits on a standard .22 grooved dovetail. It is currently on an air rifle with a grooved receiver.

But I have a .22 type scope base on my son's Sportster, with the same dimension groove. I bet the T-bolt peep will fit on there.

I'm beginning to think it might work with the Synth Monte Carlo stock too; it will be mounted higher than a regular sight on the barrel or receiver because of the scope base. Hmmm!?

Even though I don't have a front sight for it, I'll try it and let you know what transpires.

Cheers
Kerry

P.S. awwww Quick, You keep changing pictures, I really liked the one of the guy with no teeth.  :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2005, 01:53:38 AM »
Thanks again Quick!!! Tallyho, thats some great info about the the Browning T-bolt peep, my concern is you might not be able to find a front sight high enough. The concept is great though, I'm looking forward to hearing from you again on your findings, Thanks for the info....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2005, 02:36:57 AM »
Thanks for all the help. Sorry 3006bluffhunter for butting in. Tallyho, would you know the model number of that base on your son's sportster? I have a Williams reciever sight for grooved .22s that I had for a Marlin I never should have sold. I would sure try that option. I love peep sights, especially on my .303 .
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2005, 05:58:01 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2005, 07:10:49 AM »
Just a thought guys, but the scope rails on H&R Sportsters are the same dimensions as centerfire scope rails and take centerfire rings, not the smaller .22 rimfire size. I am sure if you wanted to mount a reciever sight on an H&R scope rail it would have to be a size compatible with centerfire mounts. Does Williams make that size? I still see a problem with getting a front sight high enough for the small diameter tapered Sportster barrel, especially with the reciever sight mounted on the scope rail, which is mounted on the large diameter chamber end of the Sportster barrel. You might need a front sight 1+ inches high....<><....  :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2005, 09:36:00 AM »
Okay guys, this has been stimulating.... :)

First, I tried out the T-Bolt sight on the Sportster, then another aperture sight I found in my collection that also fits the 22 size dovetail.

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Just a thought guys, but the scope rails on H&R Sportsters are the same dimensions as centerfire scope rails and take centerfire rings, not the smaller .22 rimfire size.


He's right of course. However my son's Sportster was purchased used, and it looks to me like someone, before we got it, had a piece of the smaller dovetail stock and cut it down to fit the receiver.

pic of the 22 scope base on the NEF Sportster.

The T-Bolt sight on the Sportster's 22 base.




Then I found this other aperture sight that fits the smaller dovetails. I don't remember where I got it, or know who made it. I call it the Large clunky sight:




Of course I don't have a front sight on the 22LR barrel, but I do have a 20" 223 barrel with sights... visually a duplicate of the 22LR barrel. So, I put the scope base on the 223 barrel and put the rig on the Sportster frame. Then I installed each of the two different peeps on the 223 barrel to see what they looked like... and to check whether the Monte Carlo stock was an obstacle to using the irons - it wasn't!

More pics of what a rifle with a front sight on the barrel and the different apertures looks like.

with T-Bolt sight:


with Large clunky sight:


Remember this is the 223 barrel, so just imagine it as a 22LR with a front sight! And since the Monte Carlo doesn't seem to interfere with getting down to look through the rear aperture, it just might work... though I think MSP Ret makes a very good point about the height of the front sight.. might need to research that a bit more.

This has been a great way to kill a couple of hours, and a new way to play with my toys. I think I'll take the 223 barrel with the apertures out to the range and play with it a bit.

Cheers
Kerry :D
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2005, 10:12:05 AM »
Thanksw for the pictures. Since I already have a williams .22 reciever sight, I could try the grooved stock quite easily. Any ideas where that might be available? I'm not too worried about the front sight cause I've experimented with them before. The ultra I ordered will have a larger dia., at the muzzle so the will set abit higher anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2005, 10:26:19 AM »
Welcome to GBO, 351 power! :D  Brownell's carries the dovetail base...

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=385&title=DOVETAIL+SCOPE+BASE
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2005, 02:39:35 PM »
With all the information here pluswhat I see on the centerfire board, I can see two ways I could go. I will probably try the WGRS-HR sight as it should be easier to match to a front sight. Thanks for all the help.
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