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Offline Biscuits

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« on: November 27, 2005, 04:31:43 PM »
I have heard about weird throat demensions on ruger blackhawk and vaqueros in 45 colt- is this an issue with the 357's ?
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 06:04:41 PM »
It was an issue with my .357 Blackhawk.  The throats measured from .355" to .3565".  Not good for cast, since the barrel slugged .3572".  I've gotten in the habit of bringing a few slugs with me when I'm looking at a new revolver.  If you can't slip a .357" bullet through all of the throats with thumb pressure, it's still possible to have the throats opened up a bit.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 06:18:08 PM »
Better too small than too large. Too small is easily fixed. Too large requires a new cylinder and that's NOT cheap. Yeah correct would be best but then it might be not everyone would agree on what correct is. I'd much rather see them made undersize than over size.


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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 07:10:20 PM »
Dang! I will just stick with my new FA 454 its got me so spoiled. Nothing else compares. I should be getting my Antique Micarta grips and grip frame back from SK Custom grips this week- I can't wait!

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 06:54:12 AM »
It looks like we're talking about at most an .002" variance?  That's holding a pretty good tolerance.  Way to go Ruger.

Well I went and measured the chambers on my .357 and as best I can tell, they all run .3575 to .3585.  No wonder it shoots so well!  Amazing!

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 03:40:26 PM »
Quote from: Buster
It looks like we're talking about at most an .002" variance?  That's holding a pretty good tolerance.  Way to go Ruger.


That's one school of thought, but it's not held by cast bullet shooters.  In fact, accuracy-minded jacketed bullet shooters wouldn't be too happy with it.  Making 9mm Luger sized throats on my .357 magnum is not what I consider "holding a pretty good tolerance."  .358" or .359" throats would be more appropriate to caliber.  If the throats are being cut much less than .357", it's because they're using an old, worn, undersized reamer to cut them.  It wasn't possible to chamber some loads in my Blackhawk.  Ruger refused to fix just the cylinder, they wanted me to pay to ship the whole revolver back.  

Unlike Bill, I don't mind slightly oversized chamber throats, as this doesn't harm cast bullet performance nearly as much as undersize throats, providing you size your bullets to match the throats.  No big deal, and no money wasted having undersized throats reamed out to the proper size.  Jacketed bullet performance is usually acceptable, even when throats are .003" oversize.  

I also think that pretty much everyone   can agree on the "correct" size for chamber throats when the barrel measures .357" across the grooves.  The correct size is no less than .357", and no more than .359" in a mass produced gun.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 08:25:51 PM »
I gotta agree with levefan on this one. I would rather have my chambers slightly larger than smaller than the barrel diameter. If the the bullet diameter is swaged down to the smaller than groove size of the barrel then there is the issue of both gas cutting around the bullet (leading the barrel)  and the bullet being to small for the groove diameter of the barrel (lesser accuracy)

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