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Offline victorcharlie

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2006, 07:52:52 AM »
Kinda like borrowing from you 401K isn't it?

Government by the rich, for the rich and of the rich.......

What happens if China, who is one of the big holders of Tbills refuses to renew the debt and demands payment?
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2006, 07:55:29 AM »
The federal reserve is a PRIVATE company owned by the Rothechilds, the Rockefellers and various other international banks, it is not a part of the US government. When the government needs more money, the fed either creates it out of thin air on a computer or fires up their printing presses and print out whatever denomination bills required. These bills cost the fed approximately 3c to print and distribute. They then charge the government the going Fed rate in interest on this so-called "money". For a primer on the federal reserve and our fiat monetary system under which we now labor, I recommend "The creature from Jekyll Island", a review and the book are available from:

http://www.store.yahoo.com/realityzone/creature.html

I highly recommend reading this book, be advised, you will need to have a wastebasket or bucket nearby for when you start throwing up.

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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2006, 09:06:19 AM »
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The federal reserve is a PRIVATE company owned by the Rothechilds, the Rockefellers and various other international banks, it is not a part of the US government. When the government needs more money, the fed either creates it out of thin air on a computer or fires up their printing presses and print out whatever denomination bills required. These bills cost the fed approximately 3c to print and distribute. They then charge the government the going Fed rate in interest on this so-called "money". For a primer on the federal reserve and our fiat monetary system under which we now labor, I recommend "The creature from Jekyll Island", a review and the book are available from:

http://www.store.yahoo.com/realityzone/creature.html

I highly recommend reading this book, be advised, you will need to have a wastebasket or bucket nearby for when you start throwing up.


If you can find it I recommend "None Dare Call It Conspiricy"  The story of Nelson Rockafellar.  Written in the early 1970's.  Details the intermarriage of international bankers for generations and lends credit to the conspiracy that 200 familys own the world.  The Federal Reserve being one of the banks owned.  Careful Bush Master or they're going to require us to wear our tin foil hats!

The text of this book can be read online without purchasing the book at http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2006, 09:20:07 AM »
I have heard of that book and haven't come across it yet, I am keeping my eyes peeled though. I have my hat all polished up and ready!

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2006, 09:37:07 AM »
Quote from: El Confederado
Well my turn. First let me say that my family has fought in every war this nation has had since in was a nation, myself being one of my family that has served.Now that that has benn said,when a nation has become so corupt or the government has got so out of touch, why not call for it to be parted out?Would I fight against the United States for a enemy power, hell no. Would I fight the United States if it became an enemy to it's people, hell yes.The United States is nothing more than a collection of like minded "states", once the centeral government has perverted the ideas of the founding fathers to oppress the common American, it becomes the enemy. Is that simple enough?My family, my county, my state, in that order. I owe no oath to any single government, I owe it to the People and the Constitution, period


Actually it's been an enemy to the people, technically, since 1861.
In Federalist 39, Madison made clear the following:

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That it will be a federal and not a national act, as these terms are understood by the objectors; the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation, is obvious from this single consideration, that it is to result neither from the decision of a majority of the people of the Union, nor from that of a majority of the States. It must result from the unanimous assent of the several States that are parties to it, differing no otherwise from their ordinary assent than in its being expressed, not by the legislative authority, but by that of the people themselves. Were the people regarded in this transaction as forming one nation, the will of the majority of the whole people of the United States would bind the minority, in the same manner as the majority in each State must bind the minority; and the will of the majority must be determined either by a comparison of the individual votes, or by considering the will of the majority of the States as evidence of the will of a majority of the people of the United States. Neither of these rules have been adopted. Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a federal, and not a national constitution.


Finally, the war of northern treachery has never CHANGED the Constitution to impart nation-status to the Union, and hence Constitution must remain in effect as originally intended.

The fact is that the union was simply under false occupation under wilful misconstruction and rational ignorance; however under the law, the states are as free as they ever were.
Likewise, as Madison states,  the term "the people" only applies to the states respectively, and not all states in the aggregate.

Hence, it's impossible to fight to defend a nation which never existed; and as such, no one ever has, since the US has never been attacked in its history by any other nation-- except in self-defense.

After all, the Founders knew quite well that an armed population was always the bane of tyranny-- and a standing army the bane of liberty; as such, there was no profit for any nation to attempt invasion of the US.

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2006, 09:45:54 AM »
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VictorCharlie,

You know the part I realy love? The fact that the national debt is money WE owe ourselves. How in the hell can one owe himself money, that is just stupid. What we have here is a systen that has run amuck and now uses the people to fund their little prt projects. The Republicrats and the Demoians are one in the same, marching us all to slavery just one is trying it quicker than the other.Thanks Mr Lincoln, you jack horse.Mr Boothe you acted too late pard, but thanks for tryin. :twisted:


That's not quite an accurate use of the term "we;" there is the creditor (i.e. the US) and the debtor (i.e. the bondholders) -- there is no "we" in that sense.

Actually as I've stated before, we ARE slaves in every sense, save for our ability exile ourselves; however the "American Expatriation Act" has stated that you can't take your property with you-- consider it ransom.

Booth acted FAR too late-- and anyone who blames him would fault a Jew for offing Hitler.

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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2006, 11:20:59 AM »
Bush Master:  you can read the book for free online at http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html

Just click on the link and enjoy.....it's ultra right winged and while I don't necessarly agree with all of it the author certainly nails alot.

I think this book was banned in the 70's and at one time it was very hard to get.  I haven't read it in 30 years or so and have been going through the online version again to see if it's still relevant to modern history.  I loaned the book to someone many years ago and never got it back.  Looks like it might be back in print and available via amazon.com.  This might get you on the FBI watch list if you don't put the tin foil hat on before reading! :)
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
Barry Goldwater