Author Topic: curing my 243win (Read 2063 times)

kenscot · « **on:** December 11, 2005, 02:39:16 PM »

Went to the store locking to buy new reloading dies in an attempt to cure my temperamental chambering 243win. I also figured why not start looking for a replacement. At first I looked at another rem 700 bdl in 243 figuring I can't get two lemons in a row. NAAAH move on. Then I looked at the rem CDL, no thanks I did not care for the orange colored stock that this one was wearing. Then I saw a browning hunter in 25 wssm and kind of like 25-06 ballistics in a shorter package, so I picked it up. Figure 25 cal might give me a little better edge on deer. Don't think it is real popular here in the east no ammo in stock , no brass , no dies and no 25 cal bullets!

oso45-70 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2005, 03:58:14 PM »

Quote from: kenscot

Went to the store locking to buy new reloading dies in an attempt to cure my temperamental chambering 243win. I also figured why not start looking for a replacement. At first I looked at another rem 700 bdl in 243 figuring I can't get two lemons in a row. NAAAH move on. Then I looked at the rem CDL, no thanks I did not care for the orange colored stock that this one was wearing. Then I saw a browning hunter in 25 wssm and kind of like 25-06 ballistics in a shorter package, so I picked it up. Figure 25 cal might give me a little better edge on deer. Don't think it is real popular here in the east no ammo in stock , no brass , no dies and no 25 cal bullets!

Kenscot, Looks like you may be in close contact with Midway or one of the other supplier for a spell. From what i have read the 25wssm is one whale of a round. I have the 223wssm and it kicks tail. You will get it going i'am sure. Good luck to ya, hope you get it up and running...........Joe..........

Thebear_78 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2005, 04:25:18 PM »

That 25 WSSM has become fairly popular as a sheep/goat/blacktail as a superlight mountain rifle. You can make an unbelievably light rifle around those tiny cases.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:04:52 PM »

This is great. The way to fix a 243 is get a 25! Some guys will use any excuse to buy another rifle.

rickt300 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:16:23 PM »

What was the problem with the 243? I have never owned a 6MM that wouldn't shoot with just minor tweaking(yet).

jakes10mm · « **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2005, 06:27:26 AM »

Please define the "temperamental chambering 243win".

I have owned three 243Win rifles (Winchester, Ruger, & Howa). All have easily shot groups under a MOA at 100 yards. My current 243Win is the Winchester in an Older "HEavy Varmint" model. It will consistently hit 1/2" groups with mid-weight bullets (75-87gr). The chamber on the rifle is very tight and reloading to maximum OAL caused the bullets to catch the rifling. I adjusted the seating depth to accommodate the tight chamber and it shoots awesome. Clays at 200yards are boring from the bench, event the clay fragments. The Ruger No1 I had in 243 consistently shot about 5/8" groups. I didn't shoot the Howa much, but it was a 3/4" rifle without developing a "favorite load".

What exactly is the tempermental problem with your rifle?

kenscot · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2005, 01:40:19 PM »

Defining Tempermental chambering: about every tenth time I chamber a round it is very difficult. No it is not OAL I checked for that. I bought new dies and that did not cure it. I am setting my dies up to full length resize like all of my other rifle cartridges. It just seems like on these occasions the case is not getting under the extractor as I push the bolt down. I can run the same case through ten time fine and then it will hang up or consequently it may hang up the first time and the be fine for several chamberings before hanging up again. Now the rifle will shoot some 85 grain bullets well but the chambering thing is making me crazy :twisted:

tuck2 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:12:54 AM »

Some Remington rifles have problems ,their quality conrtoll is lacking. You problem is the rifle not the round. I have a Ruger No 1 ,a 77 and two Win 70s in the 243 Win rounds each of which has had a little tune up to improve their accuracy. I will not purchase an other Remington firearm because of their poor quality controll and customer service.

rickt300 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2005, 06:41:02 AM »

Sounds like your extractor has a problem, possibly with a piece of cartridge brass under it or it could be a bit too long where it grabs the cartridge base. The ejector pin could be binding also. If it is a new gun it just may need a couple hundred rounds put thru it. If it cuts a chip of brass offf the case head you could dress it off with a dremel too just enough to dull it's edge. The design is so simple it can be fixed easily and most gunsmiths can fix them easily.

oso45-70 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2005, 12:56:43 PM »

Quote from: tuck2

Some Remington rifles have problems ,their quality conrtoll is lacking. You problem is the rifle not the round. I have a Ruger No 1 ,a 77 and two Win 70s in the 243 Win rounds each of which has had a little tune up to improve their accuracy. I will not purchase an other Remington firearm because of their poor quality controll and customer service.

Tuck2Been shooting Remingtons lot of years and never had one i couldent make shoot..............Joe..........

tuck2 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2005, 05:24:13 PM »

OSO 45-70 One can make most 700 Remingtons shoot after glass bedding the action ,free floating the barrel,adjusting the trigger ,and lapping the bolt locking lugs. OSO what do you do to tune up the Remingtons ?

oso45-70 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2005, 08:05:45 AM »

Quote from: tuck2

OSO 45-70 One can make most 700 Remingtons shoot after glass bedding the action ,free floating the barrel,adjusting the trigger ,and lapping the bolt locking lugs. OSO what do you do to tune up the Remingtons ?

Tuck2

What ever it takes to make them do what they were built to do, All of the above if thats what it takes. The Remington rifle is the easiest rifle to work on. If we lived in the same area i would be more than happy to work on your Remington rifles, Like i said i've never had a Remington i couldn't make shine. I have some in my safes that people gave up on and they all shoot fine now. Good luck Sir

............Joe.............

Don Fischer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:06:47 PM »

I had the same chambering problem described above with a Rem 660 in 308. I'ed loaded for that rifle for years with no problems. Then I deciced to try an RSII press. Didn's take long and I had the chambering problem. I then took the same cases and ran them thru my Rockchucker press with the same dies and the problem went away.

Have no idea why it happened but think that maybe the press would spring a bit now and then.

kenscot · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:42:19 PM »

Don,
That is some food for thought as my rs-2 is 20 some odd years old and has seen a lot of rounds run through it. I also have no problem with factory.

cal sibley · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:46:45 PM »

I suspect the mans problem is he has a recent Remington. I suffer from the same problem, a Remington 700BDL in .25-06. From what I read in the various forums there are a lot of us singing the blues. Remington has and can make excellent products, but the obsession with bean counters and the bottom line is killing them. If you'll pardon the pun it's a classic case of a company shooting itself in the foot. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Doc Lisenby · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2006, 09:59:36 AM »

I thought maybe he was having a problem with accuracy in his 243. I have a Winchester M70, a Herter U9, and a Rem M700 all in .243 Win and I just can't one of them to shoot consistently under a moa. I have gone the whole route of new barrels, powders, bullets, cases, primers, barrel lengths, pillar bedding, free-floating, pressure bedding, glass bedding, changing stocks and everything else my 55 years of gunsmithing and 60 years of competition shooting have left in my mind. I am seriously thinging about changing to 6.5mm, something like a 260 Rem or even a 7mm. I am poised to order a PacNor barrel for the M700 but I hate to give up on the 6mm. My 6mmBR in an XP 100 rifle shoots well enough but I sure would hate to give up on the 243 Win. A varmint hunter friend has a .244 (6mm Rem) which is deadly accurate. I just can't get the 243 Win to shoot to my satisfaction. Anyone know what I should concentrate on to make it shoot well besides selling my soul to Diablo?
Doc

Don Fischer · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2006, 10:20:20 AM »

Doc wrote:

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Anyone know what I should concentrate on to make it shoot well besides selling my soul to Diablo?
Doc

Yea,concentrate on the 260! I gotta think this is some kind if mental block, not getting a 243 to shoot. I too have gone thru everything to get one to really shoot and have never made it. It can't possibily be the cartridge.

kenscot · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2006, 05:03:47 PM »

Well my rifle is now back in Ilion where they are going to do a chamber cast to check if the chamber is crooked or out of round so we will see

rickt300 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2006, 09:14:11 PM »

I have owned many 6MM Remingtons and 243"s and every one was a tackdriver. I just bought a Rem. 700 ADL on closeout for 268.00 and the first reload I picked out of the blue because it shot well in my last 243 put five shots in an inchat 100 yards twice. It didn't care much for the Winchester 100 grain factory load but 1 1/2 inche groups are okay for factory. Just for general principals I am going to lighten the trigger a bit and fool with the bedding to see if I can improve on what I have already. I took a doe with the rifle a week after I got it and only have 40 or so round fiired thru it.

kenscot · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2006, 12:20:30 PM »

Well I called remington today and was told that everything checkout as spec but they would rebarrel the rifle anyway so we shall see.

JDK · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:01:56 AM »

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Well I called remington today and was told that everything checkout as spec but they would rebarrel the rifle anyway so we shall see.

Seems odd to me that they would rebarrel something that met their specs???

kenscot · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2006, 12:43:32 PM »

Seemed odd to me also but I will not complain if it is fixed. It could get me back on their band wagon

kenscot · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2006, 02:33:51 PM »

Well my rifle came back to day with the new barrel. I guess everything was not in spec as the work sheet read bolt and barrel misalignment and the bore was heat checked , never heard that one before. Anybody have a clue what a heat checked bore is? Any way a three week turn around time seems quite good to me as is replacing the barrel a year out of warranty for no charge. This rifle sure has become a project . It is not the nicest rifle I own but one I enjoy shooting alot. Going to load up a few rounds and give it a shot this weekend hoping for the best. Any one have any bullet powder combos that have worked well and are willin to share?

rickt300 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2006, 06:54:07 AM »

The 85 grain Sierra BTHP and any of the 4350's ought to come up with an accurate load. I am working up a 100 grain Sierra BT load with H414 but haven't had any range time yet.

oso45-70 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2006, 09:11:07 AM »

Kenscot

Glad you got some satisfaction from the factory, Hope this ends your problems. All my Remingtons are the older guns and have had no experience with the newer rifles. I have a 6mm that is an absolutly great
shooter. I can't tell you how many coyotes i have shot with it over the years. I also have a 22-250 that is a tack driver and on and on. Any way glad you got it back and its working for you.

Good luck.......Joe........

kenscot · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2006, 05:03:49 PM »

Well I loaded some Sierra 85 gr. hpbt with some varget and my groups averaged .75 MOA not bad first time out I figure looking foward to trying some nosler partitions

killdeer · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2006, 07:06:09 PM »

Congrats,
it's been a long road. :grin:

KD